AP News
(I debated about putting this here; the page is a bit complicated for copy-pasting, but the material is important, as sometimes the passage of time blurs memories. There is work for justice being done on these cases and the whole of it, and here’s a nice gathering of information to date. Maybe a thing to read when you’ve got a few minutes. It is longer, but not TL;DR. You’ll want to know this stuff. )
by Michael Kunzelman, Alanna Durkin Richer, and Cal Woodward
Snips:
The Associated Press has spent more than three years tracking the nearly 1,500 Capitol riot cases brought by the Justice Department. AP reporters have reviewed hours of video footage and thousands of pages of court documents. They have sat through dozens of court hearings and trials for the rioters who descended on the Capitol and temporarily halted the certification of President Joe Biden’s victory. These videos represent a mere fraction of the evidence that prosecutors have presented to juries and judges deciding these cases.
Inside Washington’s federal courthouse, there’s no denying the reality of Jan. 6, 2021. Day after day, judges and jurors silently absorb the chilling sights and sounds from television screens of rioters beating police, shattering windows and hunting for lawmakers as democracy lay under siege.
But as he seeks to reclaim the White House, Donald Trump continues to portray the defendants as patriots worthy of admiration, an assertion that has been undercut by the adjudicated truth in hundreds of criminal cases where judges and juries have reached the opposite conclusion about what history will remember as one of America’s darkest days.
The cases have systematically put on record — through testimony, documents and video — the crimes committed, weapons wielded, and lives altered by physical and emotional damage. Trump is espousing a starkly different story, portraying the rioters as hostages and political prisoners whom he says he might pardon if he wins in November.
There are no broadcast television cameras inside the E. Barrett Prettyman federal courthouse on Constitution Avenue. But the real story of Jan. 6 is found in the mounds of evidence and testimony judges and juries have seen and heard behind the doors of the courthouse where hundreds of Trump’s supporters have been convicted in the attack. (snip-go read when you have a little time)
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IF Trump gets back in and IF Trump does pardon these people found guilty through due process of law, then he will have drawn a battle line which will inflame many. And that will have consequences
I’ll give you the brief maths.
Say 60,000,000 people vote against Trump in the coming election. And say he gets in and does the pardoning. IF ONE person in a thousand of those voters feels ‘Right. Now my time to take up arms to defend the USA’. That is 60,000 people with easy access to guns and now in a terrorist mindset. If ONE in a hundred take that out onto the streets to deliberately target anyone they will supporting Trump the are are 600 potential mass shooters out there, but those shooters will have sympathisers and admirers.
There will of course be a kick-back by those on The Right.
And then there will be the counter-reaction.
And more folk will be drawn in.
It bears repeating The Right and Trump just are not ready for the consequences of their folly.
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Thank you. I like to believe that our side, being pacifist, won’t participate in armed fighting with neighbors. I know that’s not true; everyone has a breaking point, and your mention of “Now is my time to defend” is a thing I guess I’ve refused to acknowledge even though I know most people here have that point. And, yes, they don’t understand what they’re asking for when they threaten as they do.
I just hate the idea of more fighting and killing.
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There will always be extreme antagonisms in any society. The problem Ali lies in the way that leaders handle these. The current leadership of the Republican Party has been extremely irresponsible in this, stoking up the emotions of many of its followers by playing to the most extreme.
It would be hoped at some stage there would be a tipping point at which the moderates would say ‘Enough is Enough’. This normally would have been with Trump’s tantrum over the 2020 election and the rabble rousing factions coming to the fore. This did not happen, which raised the emotions and fears of those on the active liberal side.
What is most dangerous at the present is Trump’s still high polling figures. It can be argued that his folk will support him solidly but this does not account for the polls which should have a random factor built in.
This suggests there are many who are confrontational but even more who are so naïve as to believe this creature of media and Right Wing wishful thinking actually has a constructive approach.
The only hope at this stage is for a massive mobilisation of all liberal factions.
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Well, so far, as far as I know (and I wouldn’t necessarily know much, but I read a lot,) that mobilisation is getting out the vote, and protecting the vote and voters. Beyond that, I’ve seen no discussion. I’ve also not looked for discussion of beyond the election, other than seeing that the prevailing expectation is that the Don’s 37% will be angry, and disappointed, leading to the possibility of a replay of 1/6/21. That’s all I know right now, but GOTV is quite time-consuming on its own! 🙂
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