Democratic frustration reaches boiling point over David Hogg
Tensions are reaching a boiling point between David Hogg and Democratic National Committee (DNC) leadership as the organization moves to potentially redo Hogg’s election as vice chair.
Read in The Hill: https://apple.news/AuAIcLl8xQhaTp5V1AMeqUQ
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Shit-stirrers gonna shit-stir. This is the DC Pravda, I mean ‘The Hill’
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Hi Bruce. This is the second try to write this. WordPress at the first one. He is not shit stirring. He is saying that older entrenched incumbents who ignore the will of their constituents to instead take payoffs from companies and PACs shouldn’t expect to get the automatic backing of the DNC. It is the AOC model who took on a rep who was caught on hot mic saying if he had not had a viable challenger he wouldn’t even bother to have shown up in the district just letting campaign adverts do the work for him. Most o the time a challenger doesn’t have enough money in hand to fight both the incumbent and the DNC at the same time. That is what Hogg is trying to change. The entrenched corporate DNC structure and the incumbents that think getting elected means a lifetime golden ticket to wealth and power. And yes both parties have them. Look it is coming out more facts that Biden was seriously failing and the DNC threatened anyone would have primaried him. That attitude gave us tRump. I agree with Hogg it is time to change it. Hugs
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I wasn’t at ALL implying that David Hogg was the shit-stirrer…I was saying it was the Hill writer doing it on behalf of the DNC consultant class. My bad!
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Also We need more David Hoggs and fewer superannuated Dems in congress.
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Hi Bruce. I agree. I get so frustrated in how to get to that point. Every time we try it ends up like with Hogg. The corporate entrenched people feeding off the public teat circled the wagons and protected them self from any change of status. Why do we have a 91 year old republican who claims he will stay in congress until he dies but he couldn’t understand or answer his constituent’s town hall question? We have them on the left also. Pelosi fought hard to keep AOC from being the ranking member on the oversight committee which is a powerful position. Instead she forced through a 73 year old throat cancer white male who died recently. He couldn’t speak or enunciate our issues but he was a corporate party person who would do as told. It is so frustrating these 70 or 80 and even 90 year old people will not step aside and let younger generations take over. They can’t let go the power or the wealth it gives them. Why is Pelosi still calling the shots at 80? Her handpicked successor Jeffries has been useless against what tRump is doing saying after tRump was elected that “God was still on the throne”. What good did that do the democrats. He doesn’t make a move without her and hardly raises his voice. The Senate minority leader is Schumer who keeps following Carville’s advice of do nothing and just wait, people will get tired of tRump. That did not work for us before and won’t know. These people that gave strategy to Bill Clinton need to understand times have changed. Anyway sorry for the rant. Just looking for any reasoning I can get as to how to make it better. Hugs
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Hi Bruce. Thanks for clearing that up for me. David is not running again for the vice chair seat. They managed to distort the rules to get his election nullified so he figures even if he won there would be little point I guess. He made his point and I bet now that he is without the baggage of the DNC rules that he will form or join I new organization that will support primary challenges. We really need them. Hugs
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He’s not doing anything wrong, he’s simply making the elders uncomfortable, and they maybe feel disrespected, which stops them hearing him. Been there, done that. Someone could tell him, they’ll like what you want to do, just don’t make them feel like you’re running them over. Maybe even make it sound as if the idea sprang from something one of them said.
There are ways to progress and co-exist. But he was elected, by electors who meant it. If they kick him off somehow, they’ll lose those party members, and the elders are too old to find more party members.
This is why more Dem voters ought to be a little active in the party; to help the progressives get things done.
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Hi Ali. Please read what I wrote to Bruce. I think you and I are on the same page but I am a bit more militant and more totally on Hogg’s side. The people have to take the DNC back from the entrenched carrier corporate hacks who have felt they got it made when they got their cushy jobs paid for by others. Hugs
Hi Bruce. This is the second try to write this. WordPress at the first one. He is not shit stirring. He is saying that older entrenched incumbents who ignore the will of their constituents to instead take payoffs from companies and PACs shouldn’t expect to get the automatic backing of the DNC. It is the AOC model who took on a rep who was caught on hot mic saying if he had not had a viable challenger he wouldn’t even bother to have shown up in the district just letting campaign adverts do the work for him. Most o the time a challenger doesn’t have enough money in hand to fight both the incumbent and the DNC at the same time. That is what Hogg is trying to change. The entrenched corporate DNC structure and the incumbents that think getting elected means a lifetime golden ticket to wealth and power. And yes both parties have them. Look it is coming out more facts that Biden was seriously failing and the DNC threatened anyone would have primaried him. That attitude gave us tRump. I agree with Hogg it is time to change it. Hugs
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Well, yes, the people have to get the party on track, but first they have to show up and take positions and work instead of just blaming Dems for everything. David Hogg has done that. More people should. It’s not difficult, it doesn’t have to cost money, but it’s the only way to have a political party that works for us-join in and do the work.
Building a 3d party would take forever, as we’ve seen at our ages. But for the truth of what I say about getting the party corrected, see the Republican party. Rightwingers all ran as precinct committee people, and took over party after party after party in all the states at all the levels, and now look at what they are. Too many people rely on Dems to balance it out without supporting them and directing them. When we don’t have their backs and they’re fighting with this crew of Republicans, what should expect but what we get?
That’s what David Hogg is working against. But positions have to be filled, and we the people have to fill them. Then instead of blame and complain, we will be doing, and the Dem party will be the party of the people.
There is no reason for militance, though, in high leadership. Mr. Hogg got his spot fair and square, and he’s stuck working with others who did the same. There are ways to do it, and progress if more important than militance and virtue signaling.
I hope this comes across in the intended spirit. I’m not pointing fingers at anyone here, it’s simply that I’ve got experience with this, and it doesn’t strike me that enough people know that we the people are supposed to run the government, and our political parties. Somebody’s got to. Voting is not the least of it, but it’s only one little piece. OK, off the soapbox.
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Hi Ali. I love you on your soap box. Please read the rant I just sent to Bruce who agrees with us. I get so frustrated by senior members of congress who fail to see their job as helping the people and instead see it as a way to increase their family wealth and power. I am talking about people like Chuck Grassley and Nancy Pelosi. They stopped caring about the people long ago and only care about the donor dollars they can rake in along with the power it gives them. Oh I think you should think of putting up a weekly Ali’s soapbox post. It bet it would be a grand hit. Hugs
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I keep thinking I maybe ought to put together a history of my party work. Tengrain published that- well; Oririisopto did, on MPS years ago, to encourage people to get more active instead of sitting back complaining about “Democrats.” Osirisopto thought it was time for people to get that there is more to democracy than voting. I don’t know what it did for anyone; I hope someone got more involved along the line somewhere. It’s one of those “ask not what your country can do for you, rather ask what you can do for your country” things. Every now and then since I’ve been posting here, I think I ought to do that, but it strikes me there are easier ways to get the message across, and I detest a lot of attention on myself! 😀 So, anyway; I try to keep my soapboxing in a few lines under the titles, and even in the titles, and in comments. Just me, I guess!
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Hi Ali. Your experience and knowledge should be shared and celebrated. Your work for the party as it once was is grand. You should let your light shine. But I understand if you would rather not make a story about you but instead do as you said, give your thoughts on the story or your history with it before the main story. Hugs
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Thank you, Scottie, I appreciate what you say here. I will state that my work for the party was fun, interesting, hard, boring, and eventually, as with Mr. Hogg, all for not very much. But working for the party as it was, well. I don’t know how old you think I am🤣 🧓, but I did the work in the 1980s and 90s. The Dem party has not progressed much, though they were trying, but the assassination of two Kennedys, along with the election of Reagan, pretty well turned us into snails on progress. Probably the thing I’m most pleased I did is getting a resolution passed, all the way up to State, that the KS Dem party would never support a candidate who does not 100% support Social Security and Medicare. Oddly, that had not happened before the early 90s! Anyway, there’s that.
The way the party is is only slightly better than it’s ever been. (Well, except those days when they were pro-slavery.) They seem to be at their best when we have a tyrannical president, but this time the people didn’t give the Dems enough people to be able to do squat, no matter how stiff their backbones. The party itself and the DNC, well; they want Dems to win elections, and more Dems in office. Even though they raise funds (the DNC is actually the fundraising center of the party,) the best way for us to use money to elect Dems is to contact campaigns, & contribute whatever we can, even if it’s only a bit of time. The party doesn’t need our money, nor do the DLCC and the DLSC, or any of those.
Now, any young people out there, run for precinct committee chair! Then run for party office. Then run for District office. These things do not cost money, but except for the precinct chair, they do cost some time. But, the farther you get, the more influence on the party you have. Maybe you’re worried about the olds. Well, most of them will be thrilled to be able to give up working to support the party, as long as they know someone will fill their seats. When there are empty precinct seats, the party dies. As the county party goes, the District follows, leaving only the State party, which tends toward people with both money and time, in the absence of others, and then will bend to National.
That’s how the Dem party got this way. It ain’t dead, though!
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Also.
There are still no facts that I have seen that Pres. Biden was failing while serving us as president. I suppose I could question my lying eyes and ears, but I know what I saw and heard, and I know age-related failing and dementia, from family, first hand. Pres. Biden certainly was not. I also see and hear who is failing; the current president can’t even complete a sentence.
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Hi Ali. I think two things can be true. Biden served very well as President because he was smart enough to add grand people to his cabinet and staff. He also was getting older and it was becoming clearer that he struggled at times, especially with his stutter to use the bully pulpit. Look part of getting older has a lot of downfalls and both Ron and I struggle with the issues of that. Was Biden a great President for his time, yes. But he was to be a transitional president and he let ego and family needs convince him that he needed to run for a second time. Polling showed it would be a bloodbath, but two people stood between Biden and the polling, So he never did know how bad it was going to be for him.
The other thing is the corporate news media was constantly airing negative stories about Biden’s age and ability but never said a word about tRump’s clear decline. They wanted tRump for the click and reads he causes, he makes them money. The corporate media is still terrified to report the facts of what tRump is doing and how bad his decline is. One-sided, yes. But it is up to us and independent media to get the word out. Hugs
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But all that is not the same as facts showing he was failing while president. That’s what I’m protesting; reporters are lazy, and maybe don’t mean to state things the way they do, but words mean things still, and it is wrong for them to make that statement, and for the rest of us to perpetuate it. People will take it as fact, even as it isn’t.
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Hi Ali. If you are talking that Biden did not fail as president you are correct. But the fact is he did start to fail physically as his term went on. After the first two terms he struggled to express things clearly even accounting for his stutter he lost the ability to walk well and shuffled, he lost the ability to use the bully pulpit, and also he struggled to deal with the press. Sadly as the strains of being president and running a campaign took too high a toll on him. He had a small set of insider advisors who sifted everything he saw and gave him the news he wanted to hear or that they wanted him to think was true. The three of the best pollsters were giving the advisors the news that Biden was going to lose in a bloodbath, but the two people in charge of that news along with campaign news only delivered positive news to Biden. They kept telling the head of the campaign to push on as they were directed with no support or time from Biden.
I was willing to vote for Biden’s second term because I was not willing to have risk a tRump win plus I felt Kamala would be a much better president needed for the time. But I wish Biden had done what he promised or implied during the first campaign, he would be a transitional president handing the job off to the younger generation. Hugs
I agree that he accomplished many legislative things in a hostile evenivorment. But the presidency ages everyone hard who does it correctly. Look at how Obama aged. The only one who did not age much was tRump because he never does the job, he only plays dictator in his head. Hugs
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I will agree to disagree about his condition while serving us. I know what I saw, and what I heard. The current admin and the US news outlets may take my body, but they’ll never get my mind. I know what I saw and heard, and no reading BS after the fact covering for the current guy will change what was.
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If it helps to clarify- I’m saying he wasn’t failing, failing meaning his faculties were weak and weakening, causing problems. We all know what that means, and that didn’t happen. The news can backtrack and say that without pointing to a single time he did something and was incompetent at it. They’re weaseling that into everyone’s heads, in order to deflect, cover, and normalize the current guy. I can’t believe that isn’t being seen, but there it is.
People/media will say what they want to believe, and make others who want to believe, believe. Facts are facts, and he was not failing. He was aging, yes, and I’ve not said he wasn’t. I’m saying he was perfectly competent-not failing-during his service, and anyone who observed knows that’s true.
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Hi Ali. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I watched Biden carefully during the Obama administration. And I have seen clips of him during his years in the Senate. Time has sapped him as it tends to do to most people. He was getting weaker, he was not as quick witted, and he struggled harder with his voice issues. I am not saying he was as bad as Reagan at the end of his second term when he was well into Alzheimer’s. He is not as stupid and slow witted as tRump either. But time took its told on his mind and body. It is a rare person who can grow to their senior years without losing strength of their body and mind. Forgetting things gets more frequent also remembering details gets harder. Endurance and strength are much less. So to say that Biden has not diminished over time with the strain of being president seems to me to deny evidence of what we saw as his term progressed. Hugs
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That’s what I said above. I use a lotta words; I probably lost you in them. I never said he isn’t aging, and didn’t age. I said he was not failing due to his aging. To say he was failing is wrong, and there are no facts to that.
The right gets a catchphrase, and use it until it becomes true to them, because they want to believe. If we do the same, we won’t be better, only on a different side. We should be accurate. And failing is not an accurate term for Joe Biden or his presidency.
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Hi Ali. I guess we have a slight difference over what failing means. Ron and I are both “failing” as we age because neither of us has the health, stamina, or mental abilities we did when we were younger. My view is you start from the position of normal ability and as you move from that you are “failing”. How far you fall or fail is always a subjective assessment.
I do not care about media catchphrases, I did see Biden age badly in his 4 years that seemed to be interfering with his abilities causing problems for his performance in office. I watched his press conferences, I saw his disastrous debate, I watched his speeches, and I looked at his achievements of the last year in office. If we had a real primary like for the 2020 election I wouldn’t have voted for Biden to have a second term.
That is not to say he was a bad person or that he was not aware of the decisions he was making. He was not a puppet president or figurehead. But the job is very stressful under normal times and his presidency was not in any way in normal times. Hugs
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And they kicked him out… >:-<
I got this email from Leaders We Deserve today:
Threw $50 their way
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Hi Bruce. Thank you for the site link. I like Hogg’s style and his goal. But boy he is long winded isn’t he? I am going to sign up for the updates? Do they send a lot by text? I already get so many texts I struggle to keep up. I did love this part of the email below best. Hugs.
Let me be clear: this is not solely an issue of age — it’s an issue of effectiveness that at times is compounded by age.
This is not a call for every older person to leave government. There are lots of great older people who we need, there’s lots of terrible younger people we don’t.
But it’s clear this culture of staying in power until you die or simply fail to do a good job but don’t need to worry about a challenge because you are in a safe seat has become an existential threat to the future of this party and nation that must be addressed.
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I get mostly emails from them, but now that I’ve donated (via Act Blue) I”m sure I’ll get more texts. Honestly I spend a few minutes every couple of days swiping texts into the trash; about half are Dems, probably via ActBlue which has my phone number.
This was very much a non-typical email from them, though.
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Yeah, I read that he left yesterday, but didn’t get back to post it, so thanks. I’m very discouraged by that, but not surprised. One person cannot carry what he was trying to do. This is a very gracious statement for a young person in the position he’s been put, and I think he will continue to do good things. Thanks, Bruce!
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