Evidence Against God

Hello all.  I have many grand religious followers who come to this blog.  I do respect what they comment but when it comes to the supernatural, the bible specifically, and all fables and myths I prefer reality.  I am sadly not able to accept things that can not be shown to exist with all the science available to us at this time.  I once had a really nice but “dumb” woman I do like, say to me she knew her god existed.  When I demanded proof she said she felt him.  I then demanded to know where her god was when as a child I was being raped, she had no answer, yet still kept existing her god not only was real but was constantly in her life.  She could feel him.  I gave up.  She couldn’t even set aside her Catholic faith long enough to feel sympathy for a raped child.   That told me why so many people stay with the religion that has the highest child abuse statistics.  Just before I left her home she touched my arm, told me she would talk to her priest, and asked me to come to her church with her that she went to four times a week.  If I did I would see her god was real, alive, and wanting to be part of my life.  She had just set aside what I had told her, that her god had ignored I was being raped as a child.  She couldn’t reconcile it with her faith so she just lost it, shut it out, ignored it and instead still pushed for her deity.  

On every blog I read dealing with a case of a religious figure of any faith abusing a child, the question comes up “How can anyone still support that religion, how can they give them more money”?  As I found out it is simple.  They simply deny or refuse to deal with facts.  This was a woman I have known for 15 years, helped out repeatedly, even gave her a printer when she did not have one.  I later found out she was using it to print the church bulletins for the services, but I did not care.  I gave it to her because she claimed to need one and couldn’t afford it.  Yet where was her wealthy church in giving her a printer to do their work for them? Yet it was up to me, an atheist child abuse survivor that gave her the means to do a service for her wealthy church.  

Anyway enjoy the video.  Again this is not an attack on those that have a spiritual code or belief that leads them through their daily life, this is to refute those that claim the bible is the literal word of an all knowing god and never wrong.   Hugs

DeSantis: ‘I don’t know how you could be a leader without having faith in God’

https://www.christianpost.com/news/ron-desantis-vows-to-restore-full-religious-freedom-in-the-us.html

DeathSantis is a Christian nationalist who believes the myth spread by Christian liars that the US is founded as a Christian nation by and for Christians.  His version of religious freedom is total control by the Christians so that they can force their views on everyone else.  His idea is to have the public pay for Christian schools and force Christian doctrines / moral standards on public school students.  He doesn’t seem to understand that there are non-Christians religious people along with people of no religious views.  He also buys deeply in to the myth that Christians are discriminated against and unfairly treated in the US.   This man and his kind must never be allowed to have authority and control over the government.  Hugs


Republican candidate vows to restore ‘full religious freedom’ in the US if elected president

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Republican presidential candidate Florida Governor Ron DeSantis speaks at the Pray Vote Stand Summit at the Omni Shoreham Hotel on September 15, 2023, in Washington, D.C. The summit featured remarks from multiple 2024 Republican Presidential candidates making their case to the conservative audience members. Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

Republican presidential candidate Florida Governor Ron DeSantis speaks at the Pray Vote Stand Summit at the Omni Shoreham Hotel on September 15, 2023, in Washington, D.C. The summit featured remarks from multiple 2024 Republican Presidential candidates making their case to the conservative audience members. Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

WASHINGTON — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis highlighted the vital role faith in God plays in leadership as he explained how he will advance the cause of religious liberty if he becomes the 47th president of the United States. 

DeSantis, a candidate for the Republican nomination for president in 2024, addressed the crowd at the Family Research Council’s Pray, Vote, Stand Summit Friday, where he discussed his faith in God and outlined how he would protect religious liberty if elected president. 

“I don’t know how you could be a leader without having faith in God,” he said. “When you stand up for what’s right in this day and age, that is not going to be cost-free. You are going to face blowback, you’re going to face attacks, you’re going to face smears. And it’s the faith in God that gives you the strength to stand firm against the lies, against the deceit, against the opposition.” 

DeSantis credited his faith in God with giving him “the foundation to know that all the insults, all the nonsense they throw at you ultimately doesn’t matter because you are aiming higher.”

After expressing concerns about the current state of affairs in the U.S., DeSantis lamented that “we do have a spiritual decline in this country.” 

The candidate cited the practice of “forcibly closing churches and denying people their right to worship as they see fit” during the coronavirus lockdowns as one example of the spiritual decline engulfing the U.S. “The liquor stores were open, the strip clubs were open, but yet they shut the door on the people of faith,” he recalled. 

“I believe that reviving the spirit of America is essential to helping reverse America’s decline. And this revival is going to begin in our religious institutions, our places of work, each of our households, all the institutions that make up the bedrock of society,” he declared.

DeSantis warned of “threats to religious liberty the likes we have not seen throughout most of American history” and highlighted the need for “people to be able to live their faith in all aspects of their life” as “faith has been treated as secondary to secular concerns in culture.” 

“Attempts have been made to wipe our Judeo-Christian religious symbols from our national heritage and national culture. The Left, you know, they talk about saying you can’t be involved in religious practice if you’re in government because it would represent [an] ‘establishment of religion,’” he added. 

The presidential candidate refuted this argument, saying, “First of all, that’s not true. But second of all, they’re the ones that want to establish a religion. They just don’t want to establish traditional religions. They want political leftism to be the established religion of this country.”

DeSantis insisted that the effort to establish political leftism as the established religion of the country has led those who want to practice their faith in public to find themselves “only being able to do that up until the point it conflicts with [the leftist] agenda.” He pointed to the treatment of coach Joe Kennedy, a Washington state high school football coach who lost his job because of opposition to his effort to pray on the field after the game, as an example of how violations of religious liberty have become commonplace.

The governor noted that Kennedy’s victory at the U.S. Supreme Court was “hailed as a victory for religious liberty” while suggesting that “the fact that it even had to go to the U.S. Supreme Court shows us that religious liberty is not flourishing the way it should in our country.”

He then outlined how he would work to advance the cause of religious liberty if elected president.

“As your president, I’m going to get to work on restoring full religious freedom in this country,” he vowed. He pointed to nominating and placing “constitutionalist judges on the courts of appeal and on the U.S. Supreme Court” as an important step in achieving that goal, assuring the audience that “my nominees will reflect the jurisprudence of justices like Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito Jr.,” whom he referred to as “the two greatest justices on the court.” 

DeSantis also announced his intention to “end once and for all religious discrimination” by abolishing “all government regulations that force groups to choose between government funding and their faith.” He maintained that “instead, we’re going to actively incorporate the faith community in our administration.” 

“We will make sure that the faith community has a seat at the table as we work to do the business of the country,” he added. “We will also do what we’ve done in Florida. We have universal school choice in the state of Florida, and we need it nationwide. On day one, we’ll issue an executive order that ensures funding available to private non-religious schools must also be available to private, faith-based schools.” 

He continued: “We will stop the federal government from targeting men and women on the basis of their faith. Religious schools should not be pressured to violate the tenets of their faith. There will never be a question about whether a faith-based charity that serves the poor deserves First Amendment protections. We will seek the repeal of the Johnson Amendment, which suppresses the speech of our religious leaders.” 

DeSantis detailed how his administration would “ensure that the Judeo-Christian tradition and values that our nation was founded on are respected and are preserved.” Specifically, he expressed a desire to “create divisions of conscience and religious freedom in the Departments of Education, Labor, and [Health and Human Services] to protect religious liberty against all agencies of government.” 

“Even when God-fearing citizens have won in court, they have been forced to go through the time-consuming and invasive processes,” he lamented. “My Department of Justice will investigate and prosecute attacks on faith-based [crisis pregnancy] centers and pro-life activists, which the Biden administration is ignoring and they’re letting this go on.” 

DeSantis repeatedly discussed his record as Florida governor in his remarks and concluded his speech by describing his state as “the place where woke goes to die.” He told the audience, “As president, we are going to leave the woke mind virus in the dustbin of history, where it belongs, once and for all.” 

 

 

Ryan Foley is a reporter for The Christian Post. He can be reached at: ryan.foley@christianpost.com

 

If you can’t separate church and state you can’t govern and ultimately you wont survive as a country, Christianity is not the only existing religion in America Bootsie.

And his brand of “Christianity” is not the only brand.

But the unchurched Cultural Christians fall for it.

Actually, I’d much prefer a leader who understands that no invisible man in the sky is coming to save us, and we need to fix the laundry list of problems we have ourselves.

 

I’d love to see presidents and prime ministers who are openly atheist, and quite a few being openly LGBTQ+, and quite a few being ethically nonmonogamous. And, of course, all of them being progressive and genuinely committed to making their nations and the world better for ALL the people.

I don’t really care if they believe in god. I don’t but I do care about how they govern others that don’t believe as they do. That keep their beliefs private and separate from their policies.

I am sick to death of the Bible thumpers who keep acting as though non-believers have no right to leadership in America and who treat secularism and humanism as dirty words. They are full of bullshit. We are Americans. We are decent people. We do not need to be led by superstitious fools.

We have a memorial in Salem here to show that this religious terrorism has always been part of the fabric of America. In that case, it cost a number of women their lives.

The first smallpox insufflation clinic in Boston in the 18th century was firebombed by a mob shouting that it was the devil’s work.

And American culture in general is violently prudish compared to Europe, with the Puritan roots never escaped from as the reason why.

So I cannot agree that America is better. It never escaped its horrific roots to this day.

 

Speaking of countering BS, this protest sign is perfect:

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Floriduh…

HB3 AND THE CONSERVATIVE ATTACK ON ESG INVESTING

“Where Common Sense and Sound Investment Strategies Go to Die

https://thirdact.org/wp-con…

“At the time Ron DeSantis became Governor of Florida, the Florida
Retirement System (FRS1) was already in serious financial trouble, with
“unfunded pension liabilities” exceeding $30 billion. Under his
administration, that shortfall has risen to $36 billion, and losses continue to
mount. DeSantis’ politically motivated decision to promote an Anti-ESG2
investment strategy for FRS investments is increasing that funding shortfall.
This is placing the retirement savings and pensions of career state
employees at risk, unless Florida taxpayers are forced to pay for the
shortfall, to keep the FRS from failing.

“The massive FRS shortfall is only the tip of the HB3 iceberg. Governor
DeSantis’ anti-ESG political campaign has negatively affected a number of
Florida financial systems. Counties and municipalities are paying higher
interest on bonds
; Florida is walking away from billions in potential
investments and tens of thousands of good-paying jobs in renewable
energy; Florida is finding itself at a competitive disadvantage in attracting
new investments and businesses. And, just like the captain of the Titanic,
Governor DeSantis didn’t see it coming.

He’s pretty stupid, our taxes are paid to the county here for schools and fire, police and emergency and sanitation services. There is no mechanism in place since there is no state income tax to take it from Florida residents

 

Most Floridians see COVID vaccines as safe. But many also believe conspiracy theories — including microchips.

This is what happens when a governor and his hired henchmen, playing a public health official, constantly misinform, lie about, and work to spread harmful myths about the much-needed vaccine.  Florida’s death rate from Covid is much higher than states that pushed the vaccine.  This anti-science fundamentalism is head in the sand denial of facts and reality.  I am really not sure of DeathSantis motivation for his crusade to not protect the people in his state.  Is it religious fundamentalism, is it for political advantage with people that are unable to understand medical fact or is he a conspiracy believer?  Hugs


Most Floridians believe COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, but many also believe false information about the vaccines. There is a major divide between Democrats and Republicans. (Matt Rourke/Associated Press)
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 Most Floridians believe COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, but many also believe false information about the vaccines. There is a major divide between Democrats and Republicans. (Matt Rourke/Associated Press)

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With COVID on the rise and new vaccines arriving in pharmacies and doctor’s offices, the vast majority of Floridians believe the shots are safe, help prevent the spread of infections, and reduce the risk of hospitalization and death.

Those assessments are validated by the overwhelming majority of public health authorities — and, a statewide poll shows, seven in 10 Floridians.

But the University of South Florida/Florida Atlantic University public opinion survey that probed what people know — or think they know — revealed sizable numbers of Florida residents believe inaccurate assertions about the vaccines.

And that’s a problem, said Stephen Neely, an associate professor at USF’s School of Public Affairs.

“The misinformation unnecessarily costs lives. The CDC has said that. The World Health Organization has said that. And the data confirm that,” Neely said. “It’s disheartening, but it’s the reality that we’re facing right now. … Overall, people perceive vaccines to be generally safe and efficacious. But even among those who do, there’s still pretty widespread belief in some things that are not true.”

Among the findings of the USF/FAU survey, conducted in August:

  • The biggest factor associated with beliefs in misinformation was political affiliation, with Republicans far more likely than Democrats and independents to agree with a range of false assertions about vaccines. “Unfortunately our best efforts to communicate the truth about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines have not been able to break through these political barriers,” Neely said.
  • One in four Floridians incorrectly believe the vaccine causes alterations in DNA. Almost as many believe it can cause infertility.
  • A smaller, but notable, number of Floridians believe one of the most far-out conspiracy theories, that the vaccines contain microchips.

Politics and health

An enormous political gulf has emerged around COVID. And that’s true as well about the vaccines, especially after the initial rush of excitement in late 2020 and early 2021. Vaccinations have become more politically polarized and some people objected to being told what to do and chafed at recommendations from public health authorities.

Despite the belief in various falsehoods — and outspoken vaccine skepticism among some prominent officials, including Gov. Ron DeSantis — 66% of Floridians surveyed in August said they were very or somewhat confident in COVID “guidance provided by the CDC and other public health officials.”

And 69% said they were very or somewhat likely to get regular COVID-19 booster shots if recommended by public health officials — which is precisely what the Food and Drug Administration did on Monday and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did on Tuesday.

The CDC recommended that everyone 6 months and older get the latest vaccine, which the agency said “remains the best protection” against COVID-related hospitalization and death and reduces the chances of long COVID.

“I think we all wish COVID would be fully in the rearview mirror, but the reality is, it’s still here with us, it’s still circulating, and it’s still making some people very sick. But the good news is, we have more tools to protect ourselves. We just have to use those tools,” Dr. Mandy Cohen, director of the CDC, said on the PBS NewsHour.

Florida has the highest COVID hospitalization rate in the country. Statewide COVID-19 hospitalizations were 2,536 during the week ending Sept. 2, the most recent date published by the CDC, up from 951 the week ending July 1.

On Wednesday, DeSantis and the surgeon general he appointed, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, responded to the FDA and CDC by recommending people under age 65 not get the new booster. Cohen decried DeSantis and Ladapo’s move. “Public health experts are in broad agreement about these facts, and efforts to undercut vaccine uptake are unfounded and dangerous,” she said in a statement to news organizations.

That leaves Floridians to decide what advice to follow. Among Floridians surveyed last month, 42% said they were very likely to follow vaccine recommendations “by public health officials.” Other findings: somewhat likely, 27%; somewhat unlikely, 17%, and very unlikely, 15%.

There were significant differences based on political affiliation. Among Democrats, 84% said they were or somewhat likely to get the shots, compared to 69% of independents and 53% of Republicans.

The share who don’t plan to get vaccinated is still too high, said Kenneth Goodman, founder and director of the Institute for Bioethics and Health Policy at the University of Miami’s Miller School of Medicine.

“It means more people sick, and it kills more people,” he said. Goodman, who was not involved with the survey, said the views it uncovered showed many people believe false statements about the vaccines would translate into a “higher body count.”

Misinformation

Researchers surveyed Floridians in an attempt to understand the impact of public perceptions of vaccines, given the volume of information floating around “particularly in online/digital spaces.”

Neely’s work in public opinion research has delved into COVID since the early days of the pandemic, including a research about people who have defriended others on Facebook because of their views.

To gauge public beliefs, people were given multiple statements and asked whether they believed the claims. The statements were classified by the CDC as “true” or “false,” but respondents weren’t told what was true or false.

There was widespread agreement with three true statements:

  • COVID-19 vaccines are safe — 71%.
  • Vaccines help prevent the spread of COVID-19 — 69%.
  • Vaccines reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19 — 77%.

Statements classified as “false” by the CDC and percentage of Floridians who believe they are true:

  • Getting sick with COVID-19 builds better immunity than getting a vaccine — 51%.
  • COVID-19 vaccines are causing new variants of the virus to emerge — 42%.
  • COVID-19 vaccines alter your DNA — 26%.
  • COVID-19 vaccines contain a “live strain” of the virus — 49%.
  • Vaccines can cause you to get sick with COVID-19 — 42%.
  • Getting a COVID-19 vaccine will cause you to temporarily test positive for the virus — 42%.

Party affiliation

On almost every question, Republicans are far more skeptical of vaccines than Democrats, significantly more likely to believe in statements that the CDC classifies as false, and less likely to believe statements health authorities say are true.

“Attitudes toward the pandemic remain starkly divided along political lines,” the researchers wrote in a summary of their findings.

For example, Democrats were significantly more willing to receive ongoing vaccine boosters than Republicans (84% to 53%).

And Republicans reported lower levels of trust in COVID guidance from public health officials (47% to 88%) than Democrats.

“Politics shapes perception,” said Charles Zelden, a professor of history and legal studies who specializes in politics and voting at Nova Southeastern University. “And it’s pretty clear in these numbers that Republican perspective on the world leads you down one path and a Democratic perspective leads you down another.”

Zelden wasn’t involved in the survey.

Statements classified as “false” by the CDC and the percentage of Floridians who believe they are true showed the divide:

  • Getting sick with COVID-19 builds better immunity than getting a vaccine — Democrats, 36%; independents, 53%; Republicans, 67%.
  • COVID-19 vaccines are causing new variants of the virus to emerge — Democrats, 31%; independents, 43%; Republicans, 48%.
  • COVID-19 vaccines alter your DNA — Democrats, 16%; independents, 28%; Republicans, 32%.
  • COVID-19 vaccines contain a “live strain” of the virus — Democrats, 36%; independents, 48%; Republicans, 57%.
  • Vaccines can cause you to get sick with COVID-19 — Democrats, 31%; independents, 42%; Republicans, 50%.
  • Getting a COVID-19 vaccine will cause you to temporarily test positive for the virus — Democrats, 36%; independents, 36%; Republicans, 48%.

Development of some vaccines was accelerated by Operation Warp Speed under former President Donald Trump, and political leaders like DeSantis were initially enthusiastic promoters of vaccination.

But as the pandemic was moving into its second year, many Republicans became much more skeptical. DeSantis ultimately emerged as a vaccine skeptic, and he replaced the Florida surgeon general with Ladapo, a vaccine skeptic.

One effect of the partisan divide: Areas in which President Joe Biden performed better than former President Donald Trump in the 2020 election generally had higher vaccination rates. In July, Yale University researchers who studied Florida and Ohio reported in JAMA Internal Medicine that  “excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before.”

In March, Ladapo said that “at this point in the pandemic, I’m not sure anyone should be taking them (vaccines).”

Appearing with DeSantis at a campaign-style event in Sept. 7, Ladapo said there was “no evidence” supporting the new vaccine and asserted there “are a lot of red flags.”

Zelden said the vaccine views reflect an overall shift among many Republicans concerning “attitudes toward government telling you what to do and what not to do, toward expertise. A lot of the culture war positions that the Republicans have challenge existing expertise, because they don’t like what they’re being told. So they question the validity of the underlying science.”

Neely said the survey shows there is no indication that the polarization is easing.

“A lot of us had hoped for a time we could kind of coalesce around a shared scientific understanding,” he said. “Instead, this form of political beliefs around COVID have sort of become a kind of partisan political identity.”

 

Age, gender

One demographic category stood out: 25- to 44-year-old Floridians.

They had higher beliefs that false information was true — sometimes significantly higher — than other age groups on six of the eight statements considered false by the CDC. In most cases, the belief in the false statements was about 10 percentage points higher among 25- to 44-year-olds than the population as a whole.

Neely said he doesn’t have a good answer for the greater embrace of false information among people aged 25-44. Because it is a large and diverse age group — 25-year-olds are very different from 44-year-olds, Neely said — “it’s a little harder to parse out the meaning.”

He said there may be a lower perceived threat from COVID in that age group “and therefore less urgency to research and talk to your doctor.”

And the oldest group — age 65 and up — had much lower belief in the false claims.

“This is the group that is most at risk for severe COVID illness, the group that is most likely to have spoken to their doctor about a vaccine. They are the least likely to believe in these misinformation themes,” Neel said.

Men and women had almost exactly the same assessments about most of the false statements.

Two exceptions: Men were more likely than women (57% to 45%) to believe getting sick with COVID-19 builds better immunity than getting a vaccine, and women were more likely than men to believe (53% to 45%) that the vaccines contain a “live strain” of the virus.

Microchips

Even before the first vaccines were administered to the public in December 2020, one conspiracy theory was circulating on the internet: that the shots were being used to inject tiny devices allowing people to be tracked.

Many people regarded the notion as a joke and mocked the idea. But it became fairly widespread; a July 2021 YouGov/Economist poll found 20% of Americans said it was definitely or probably true that the U.S. government was using the vaccines to microchip the population. Though 65% said that was definitely or probably false, many public public health organizations and news media outlets debunked the idea.

And it is believed by enough people that it’s refuted by the CDC website: “FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not contain microchips. Vaccines are developed to fight against disease and are not administered to track your movement.”

Yet the August USF/FAU poll found 14% of Floridians said the claim that the vaccines contain microchips was definitely or possibly true.

“That conspiracy theory has proven more troublesome than we expected at first,” Neely said. “We’re sadly confident that this is the correct number that believe in that particular misinformation theme.”

That’s one area in the survey in which there wasn’t a statistically significant difference between Democrats (12%) and Republicans (13%).

And it was the only false statement included in the survey in which independents had a slightly higher belief (16%) than Republicans. In all other areas, Republicans had a higher percentage of people accepting the misinformation.

There were variations by age, with people aged 25-44 more likely to say the microchip statement was true and people 65 and older far less likely to say it was true.

The microchip belief, broken down by age, was: 18-24 — 17%; 25-44 — 23%; 45-64 — 12%, and 65 and older — 5%.

To Goodman, Neely and Zelden said the overall share of people buying the microchip theory is in line with Americans’ acceptance of all sorts of conspiracy theories.

“This is your basic conspiracy theory,” Zelden said. “That 14% is about the percentage that believe in most conspiracy theories.”

Goodman said “that 14% were out there for other things too: that the moon landing was staged, the world was created 4,000 years ago, and bitcoins are great investment.”

Neely said the result is consistent with previous surveys, and the result is an accurate assessment of Floridians beliefs in the microchip theory — and not a case of people parking the poll by claiming a belief in the microchip theory.

He said it is possible that some people don’t understand what is meant by microchips and so aren’t equating it with the conspiracy theory that microchips are being implanted in people via vaccines so they can be tracked.

Infertility

The survey found 24% of Floridians believe vaccines can cause infertility. The CDC doesn’t state this is false, Neely said, but that there is no evidence in support.

Concerns about fertility have gotten attention since the early days of the vaccine, perhaps most prominently by entertainer Nicki Manaj, who in September 2021 said she wasn’t vaccinated and told her 22.6 million followers on the social media platform then known as Twitter that her cousin’s friend had become impotent after getting the shot.

A wide range of medical experts debunked the assertion. Dr. Ranjith Ramasamy, an associate professor of urology at the University of Miami, wrote at the time that the truth was the opposite of what Minaj said, that the virus that causes COVID — not the vaccine — poses a risk for both erectile dysfunction and male infertility.

Many Floridians believe it does cause infertility.

The survey reported 33% of people aged 25-44 — who are in peak childbearing years — believe the vaccines cause infertility, 9 percentage points higher than the overall population.

Other big believers in the infertility statement: 29% of Republicans and 24% of independents.

Democrats (15%) and people 65 and older (12%) were less likely to believe it.

As with many statements on the survey, there was little difference between men (22%) and women (25%.)

Most say effective

Most Floridians rated the vaccines as effective.

On preventing infection, 71% said they were very or somewhat effective. Among Democrats, 86%; independents, 72%; Republicans, 56%.

On preventing hospitalizations, 79% said they were very or somewhat effective. Among Democrats, 92%; independents, 81%; Republicans, 67%.

On preventing death from COVID-19, 78% said they were effective or somewhat effective. Among Democrats, 91%; independents, 80%; Republicans, 67%.

And most Floridians — 66% — expressed confidence in the COVID guidance provided by the CDC and other public health officials.

Floridians were very confident (31%), somewhat confident (35%), not very confident (18%) and not at all confident (16%).

Very and somewhat confident ranged from 88% among Democrats to 47% among Republicans. As with almost all questions on the survey, independents were in between, at 65%.

Goodman said he’d like to see much more information into people’s COVID and vaccine beliefs, and the behavior it encourages.

“This is no longer politics, this is anthropology. How do you get ordinary people to believe in preposterous things,” Goodman said. “Why are some of the people willing not just to believe, but to embrace the preposterous?”

The fine print

Researchers from the University of South Florida and Florida Atlantic University, sponsored by the Florida Center for Cybersecurity, surveyed 600 Florida adults. The poll was conducted Aug. 10 to 21 using an online survey through market research firm Prodege MR.

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. Because subgroups (such as Democrats and Republicans or men and women) are smaller than in the overall poll, the margins of error are higher for those groups.

Anthony Man can be reached at aman@sunsentinel.com and can be found @browardpolitics on Facebook, Threads.net and Post.news.

Right-Wing Christians Must Indoctrinate Other People’s Children Into a Biblical Worldview, Says FRC’s George Barna

Notice the title specifies Indoctrinate Other People’s Children”.   These people don’t care about other parents rights to raise their children as they wish, they don’t care about other families religious views.   They are saying their long time actions in public schools out loud, to force their god, their religion, on everyone else.  Yet they are always claiming they are the victims, that they are being discriminated against.   The video is at the links,   Hugs

By Peter Montgomery | October 7, 2021 5:09 pm

Evangelical pollster George Barna spoke at FRC’s “Pray Vote Stand” conference on Oct. 7, 2021 (Image from event livestream)

While right-wing groups are mobilizing angry mobs to yell at school board members that parents have the right to control what their children are taught, evangelical pollster George Barna told religious-right activists at the Family Research Council’s “Pray Vote Stand” summit Thursday that it is their duty to try to indoctrinate other people’s children into a “biblical worldview.”

Barna, one of the first senior fellows at FRC’s recently established Center for Biblical Worldview, specializes in studying what he calls “SAGE Cons”—Spiritually Active Governance Engaged Conservative Christians. What is most striking about FRC and Barna’s “worldview” project is how few people—and how few conservative evangelicals—measure up to their right-wing “biblical worldview” standard.

When the Center for Biblical Worldview launched in May, FRC President Tony Perkins said that a biblical worldview “is only achieved when a person believes that the Bible is true, authoritative, and then taught how it is applicable to every area of life, which enables them to live out those beliefs.”

Barna told “Pray Vote Stand” attendees that only 6 percent of American adults measure up to that standard of a biblical worldview—and only one out of five people who attend an evangelical church.

“Biblically, it’s parents’ responsibility to shape their children’s worldview—both directly and indirectly,” Barna declared. But, he said, only 7 percent of parents with children under the age of 18 have a biblical worldview. That’s a problem that people with a biblical worldview must fix, he said:

That doesn’t portend well for the future because you can’t give what you don’t have. And so, the rest of us who do get it have to come alongside these children in some way. We’ve got to look for opportunities—sports teams, other kinds of activities that are taking place to help them shape things. You can’t wait for your church to get the job done.

This is a battle for the mind, the heart, and the soul of America, and so it’s up to you. It’s up to me—those of us who know God, love God, love Christ, read his word, study his word, embrace, embody his word—and to take that into the world in every way, shape, and form that we can.

Ultimately, we will win or lose this battle long term by what we do with children today. And so when you leave this conference, I’m asking you to think about making a list identifying the children whose lives you can impact. It is our biblical responsibility to raise up children to know, love, and serve God the all their heart, mind, strength, and soul, and I pray that you will do that with all the energy and wisdom that you can muster.

Barna’s PowerPoint slide hammered home his message that parents without a biblical worldview have “neither the vision nor the equipping” to “raise spiritual champions.” That means, it said, “True Christians must seize the moment … Go, make disciples!”

In 2017, Barna spoke at the Values Voter Summit—FRC’s annual gathering that has been rebranded as Pray Vote Stand—and told participants that the 2016 election was a “Christians vs. non-Christians” election and that Trump became president because “God did a miracle for us.”

 

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Hate Group Summit Speaker Calls On Christians To Indoctrinate School Children Into “Biblical Worldview”

https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1702703674789666842?s=20

 

“Pray Vote Stand” is the new name for the FRC’s annual “Values Voter Summit.” Many prominent extremists and GOP elected officials are scheduled speakers over the next three days.

Indoctrinate, another word for (wait for it) grooming!

Wait a minute. Aren’t they against indoctrination?

 

I think you know the answer. And of course, our side doesn’t indoctrinate, we educate.

LGBTQ+ people exist. A fact. sharing this information is education, not indoctrination.

LGBTQ+ people are evil and groomers. An (incorrect) opinion and when forced into children’s minds until they accept it as fact, is indoctrination.

Why does this six percent and falling of the US think they have the right to impose their sicko abusing religion on everyone else’s kids?

Because none of the other kids parents are showing up to demand anything different. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The fascist are making all these demands and moves basically unopposed. The parents of the kids in the schools affected have to take a stand

I wouldn’t say lack of opposition, the Christians just do the yelling and threatening and blackmailing and corrupting and assaulting.

Control and domination by the GQP, not representation of our values in Congress. This is the GQP and Magabillies goal.

Because they are right and everyone else is WRONG! /s

The idea of a dominionist country scares me, and it should scare you too.

The thing is, they’re getting elected to local school boards all over the country where they can implement their religious agenda

In othernews, “Prager U” materials have been picked up by a third state. They aren’t even remotely hiding the 7 Hills anymore.

First, let’s call this what it is…grooming
Second, if they don’t groom children into biblical world views, they won’t have them…and that scares the shit out of biblical peons.

They see their own children as chattel

One way they’ll do it is with that PragerU propaganda. While it’s “optional” for use in Oklahoma now I bet it will be mandatory soon.

They will threaten to dissolve any local school district who refuses to use that crap with state takeover.

Look for that garbage to spread to other states (especially red ones) fast.

 

 

Can we stone Boebert as an adulteress? Biblical purists need to know.

and kristi Noem.

 

And MTG, Trump, Schlapp…

 

Be sure to include Gingrich too, the list goes on and on.

 

Yup, the list is quite long.

 

Quite a pious group they are. Forming the idiot evangelical base like a potter forms clay.

 

Paxton! How could you forget Paxton?!?!

 

How Conservatives Sabotage Public Schools

Very informative how conservative and fundamentalist religious leaders have been attacking the public school system with disastrous results.  She does talk rapidly but the CC is pretty good for YouTube.  Hugs

Public education is under attack from all sides in this country, typically at the hands of a few wealthy and powerful conservatives who stand to benefit from the failure of public education at the expense of children and teachers.

Southern culture is American culture

In this episode, @TraeCrowderLiberalRedneck examines how “Southern culture” can be looked down upon and emulated at the same time.

The American South is a complicated place, and we know a lot less about it than we think we do. And many things about the South that seem to make no sense are less confounding in context. The reality is the history of many Southern things has been manipulated, hidden, or just plain ignored. Trae Crowder guides us through the pride points, failures, and contradictions in “Southin’ Off.”

Let’s talk about Ukraine and Zapp Brannigan taking command….

Florida DOE releases list of books banned from schools in 2022

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/education/florida-banned-more-than-300-books-from-schools/67-4643cdf2-777b-4805-aae4-e22485285fda

The people pushing these bans to remove any LGBTQIA representation from schools and libraries are a very small vocal minority using the laws that DeathSantis along with his fellow fundamentalist Christian ideological bigots implemented just for this purpose.  This is what the republicans wanted.  I get so tired of repeating my self, but this small minority wants to rule over the majority, return society to 1950 basically wiping any LGBTQIA from society or public view. Please remember these books are not intended nor available to younger kids, these are for teenagers, 13 and up.  In one case it says for 17 and up.  I have news for everyone, 13 years are ready to read these books and may desperately need to read them.  Plus most kids that old have free access to internet or a friend that has it, and studies show that by 13 kids have watched and viewed porn along with nude human pictures. Here is an example of two people, yes just two people pushing their idea of moral values on everyone else, regardless of the wishes of the other people.  This is fundamental Christian Taliban in action.  Hugs


School district officials responded to more than 1,200 book objections.
 

 

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — According to a list released by Florida’s Department of Education, school districts across the state issued a combined total of 386 book bans after receiving a total of 1,218 objections in 2022.

A small movement

According to a recent analysis by the Tampa Bay Times, more than half of the objections were raised by the same two people: Bruce Friedman, the founder of the Florida chapter of the activist group No Left Turn in Education, and Vicki Baggett.

 

He reportedly got titles from an internet database and photocopied thousands of objections with vague complaints like “Protect Children!” and “Damaged Souls!”.

Baggett submitted hundreds of complaints of “indoctrination” and apparently copied from book reviews on BookLooks.org, a book challenging group founded by a member of Moms for Liberty, the Times found.

And of the 386 book bans issued last year, 300 of them covered only three school districts: Clay County where Friedman lives (177 books banned), Martin County (98) and Manatee County (25). There are 67 school districts in Florida altogether. Fifty-one of those districts (including Pinellas, Polk, Sarasota, and Citrus counties) did not remove a single book from school shelves in 2022.

5 controversial titles

The titles that were removed from schools often varied by school district despite the fact that efforts to get specific titles banned made national headlines. Such was the case with “And Tango Makes Three,” “Let’s Talk About It” and “This Book is Gay” (which was also the only title Hillsborough County schools banned last year).

Even so, the controversy around some titles reached far enough to get them removed from multiple counties:

  1. A Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah J. Maas – The popular series of adult fantasy novels about a young woman who is taken to a faerie kingdom at war was a New York Times Bestseller. The books are intended for adults 17 or older as they contain sex scenes and abusive relationships. However, it is unclear whether school libraries even carried these books in the first place.

  2. Lucky by Alice Sebold – The memoir written by the author of the book “The Lovely Bones” detailed her rape and brutal assault and how surviving it shaped the rest of her life. The memoir generated attention in Florida after Friedman objected to the book’s graphic descriptions of sexual assault at a school board meeting in November. The board cut his mic before he could read a passage from it.

  3. L8r, G8r by Lauren Myracle – The third book in Myracle’s famous “Internet Girls” series, which told coming-of-age stories for young girls written entirely in internet-speak and instant messages, was removed from multiple schools for its use of profanity and its depictions of adult sexuality as part of its plot.

  4. Me and Earl and the Dying Girl by Jesse Andrews – A novel about a socially awkward high school senior who, along with his friend and fellow amateur filmmaker, befriends a classmate who is dying of leukemia. Though the novel was well-received, schools have banned it due to complaints about sexually explicit content.

  5. The Sun and Her Flowers by Rupi Kaur – Canadian poet Kaur’s second book of poetry was the follow-up to “Milk and Honey,” which became one of the most widely banned books in the U.S. due to its explorations of difficult subjects like sexual assault, trauma, abuse and family issues. Her second collection, which featured more poems touching on abuse, healing from trauma, infanticide and other touchy subjects, was pulled from schools due largely to the controversy “Milk and Honey” generated.

https://x.com/PENamerica/status/1702064681400103374?s=20

 

In the upside-down, through-the-looking-glass world that is DeSantis’s Florida, what should be condemned as an abomination is touted as an accomplishment.

And to think when I was a teen growing up in Houston I read ‘The Chants of Maldoror’ which I checked out at the public library. People didn’t make a fuss about books back then. Once in a while my mom would read a Truman Capote book and make a face. I think most parents were just pleased that their kids read anything.

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Two. Fucking. People.

There’s no liberty in those clowns who were whining for religious liberty. They’re just despicable.

They don’t want liberty, they want total enforced hegemony.

They banned Bernard Malamud’s “The Fixer”. That book is a Pulitzer Prize winning classic…and I doubt any single one of these philistine chucklefucks even know what it’s about.
(It’s about antisemitism in Tsarist Russia, by the way.)

You think DeSantis wants kids reading about how antisemitism is bad?

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Of course they banned Handmaid’s Tale.

Manatee County is listed as having banned Raina Telgemeir’s innocuous graphic novel Drama BECAUSE OF THIS PAGE.

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HE SAID GAY1!1!!

And is happy about it. Can’t have that!

Two individuals people dictating what a state may read. Florida is fucked

Banning books is fascism. There’s no question in my mind. Florida is becoming a fascist state.

Becoming? It is!

I didn’t read ‘Flowers for Algernon’ until I was grown up but I found it very thought-provoking –
Oh, I see the problem there.

Last week in Dallas it was 110 degrees. Today/tomorrow in Florida it is 451.

The temperature paper bursts into flame

It’s disgusting that 2 people can hold so much power over the parents of children that just want to go to school to learn REGULAR educational cirriculum, and not be dictated to by Christofasicst Theocratic wanna be’s that are determined to take this country back 150 years!

Same disgust that one senator can basically bring the armed forced to a halt.

Judy Blume asks everyone to Unite Against Book Bans

If anyone has become legendary due to the hatred of moral busybodies, it’s definitely her. She’s not only one of the pioneers of realistic YA fiction, she’s also one of the most widely banned.

It’s all about sex education, gays, trans, and other LGBTQ+ types being people and finding love and acceptance throughout the pages. Stuff Christofacists hate, yet they do anyway as they target boys and girls for sex both off and online.

So Florida is hostage to two cranks. I’m a bit surprised that De Spotic didn’t assign this power to himself or his immediate cronies, and not some upstarts.

Is the christian bible on that list? Because that book offends the fuck out of me.

Right, because book-banning, like prohibition, always works out so well. Usually they have the opposite effect.

More Florida Christian Nazis doing more Nazi-ing and saying ‘What Nazis? We’re not doing these things we’re so loudly doing!”

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James and the Giant Peach?!

Disrespect toward the mean aunts. Seriously

Opinion: Boebert’s “outrageous” behavior at “Beetlejuice” shows, again, her astounding sense of entitlement

When a pregnant woman seated behind Boebert asked her to stop vaping during show, the politician simply replied “no,” she says

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U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert will probably try to spin her latest embarrassing incident as a culture-war victory against the “elitist” liberals.

The framing is easy: Those snobby stiffs in Denver don’t know how to cut loose and have a good time if they can’t tolerate someone having a little fun at a live performance described as a “lusty riot” in The Denver Post. Oh, and clearly Boebert was targeted for being a Republican by patrons who complained about her behavior, right?

But the true arc running through the many Boebert scandals — whether they are performative or genuine – is her astounding sense of entitlement. The tired trope of politicians throwing their titles around to excuse bad behavior is ironically true of Boebert, who took office claiming to be an outsider who was just an everyday Coloradan trying to raise her family in God’s Country.

Boebert didn’t care if she ruined the musical “Beetlejuice” playing at the Buell Theatre for anyone else, and she certainly didn’t care if the pregnant woman sitting behind her had to breathe her second-hand smoke from a vape pen. Boebert denies that she was vaping, although she did admit to taking photos of the live performance.

The woman sitting directly behind Boebert shared her story with The Post on the condition of anonymity out of fear that there would be backlash from the congresswoman and her supporters. She provided me with the receipt for her tickets and a photo from the event that shows Boebert seated in front of her.

The woman described the evening as surreal. She didn’t even recognize Boebert as Colorado’s congresswoman who represents the Western Slope and southern Colorado.

“These people in front of us were outrageous. I’ve never seen anyone act like that before,” the woman, who lives in Denver and is in her 30s, said. It wasn’t until later during the play that someone informed her that the misbehaving theatergoer was, in fact, Boebert, a member of Congress.

The woman says Boebert took multiple long videos during the first half of the performance. When she asked Boebert to stop vaping, the congresswoman simply said “no,” the woman said. Boebert was also kissing the man she was with, and singing along loudly with her hands in the air, the woman said.

“At intermission, I asked, ‘Are there any other seats available? Can we sit somewhere else?’” the woman said. “The usher said, ‘You’re not the first complaint we had.’ ”

When the woman returned with her husband to their seats, she said Boebert called her a “sad and miserable person.”

“The guy she was with offered to buy me and my husband cocktails. I’m pregnant!” she said.

But the behavior continued, with Boebert using her phone to record several segments of the second half of the show.

The rest of the story is captured on surveillance video showing Boebert and an unidentified man getting ushered out of the Buell as the performance is going on.

Boebert’s staff issued a tongue-in-cheek statement about the ordeal: “I can confirm the stunning and salacious rumors: in her personal time, Congresswoman Lauren Boebert is indeed a supporter of the performing arts (gasp!) and, to the dismay of a select few, enthusiastically enjoyed a weekend performance of ‘Beetlejuice.’ ”

A report from the staff of Denver Arts & Venues says three people complained at intermission and included this tidbit about what Boebert said as she left the building: “stuff like ‘do you know who I am,’ ‘I am on the board’ (and) ‘I will be contacting the mayor.’ ”

Boebert is not on the board of Denver’s Center for the Performing Arts and if she were, I doubt she would support the DCPA’s commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion. I’m more than a little skeptical that Denver’s new mayor would call in a favor for a family member acting so rudely at a play, let alone Boebert.

Boebert’s behavior is what voters would expect from a power-hungry politician, convinced that their own self-worth puts their needs and desires above others. It’s a caricature, but hardly anyone from Congress behaves that way — even though there’s ample evidence of some of vanity and conceit — because the public backlash is so great.

It’s a pattern of behavior from Boebert who doesn’t seem to think rules and laws apply to her.

Whether it’s health and safety rules in her now-closed restaurant in Rifle, refusing to show up to court dates, and other dramas unfolding with her family and friends in Garfield County, there is no question that Boebert, whose ex-husband made nearly a million dollars in two years as an oil and gas consultant before Boebert filed for divorce this year, considers herself beyond reproach.

The pattern is so familiar that perhaps the most shocking part of this story is that Boebert supports the performing arts.

As for the performance, our source tells me: “It was so wonderful. I wish I would have been able to enjoy the first half as much… ”

Pastor resigns from Stoutland School Board amidst backlash from autism comments during sermon

https://www.ky3.com/2023/09/13/richland-mo-pastor-resigns-stoutland-mo-school-board-amidst-backlash-autism-comments-during-sermon/?outputType=amp

I want to thank Barry for introducing me to the subject of neurodivergent people / children and the mistreatment they suffer.  I have been on the lookout for stories about the abuse this community suffers ever since.  I had no idea of it until Barry explained it, just as fundamentalist religious leaders attack the LGBTQIA they are also targeting neurodivergent kids / people claiming they have demons in them.   Damn, there is no limit to the harm these people will cause promoting the idea that their god is perfect and wouldn’t create anyone different from the accepted norms.   Hugs.


A pastor in Richland is facing intense backlash for comments he made during a sermon last week at Beulah Church.
 
Published: Sep. 12, 2023 at 7:22 PM CDT|Updated: Sep. 12, 2023 at 7:24 PM CDT
 

On Wednesday, September 6, Beulah Church in Richland, Mo., held a live-streamed sermon hosted by Pastor Rick Morrow. In the sermon, Morrow made comments that caused a massive backlash in the Richland community and across the country.

In the sermon, he said, in part, “Well, either the devil has attacked [children with autism], he’s brought this infirmity upon them, he’s got them, or God doesn’t like them that much, and he made them that way…my God doesn’t make junk. Quit putting a Band-Aid on it and saying, ‘Oh, it’ll be okay. We just need to treat this or treat that.’ How about you just cast the demon out and then treat all the problems?”

The comments caused an uproar, and none more so for parents like Casey Cox and Erica Hennenberg. Their daughters, Romey and Memphis, love the tire swing outside, love arts and crafts, and are on the autism spectrum.

Morrow says while he understands the frustration, he’s upset that people didn’t understand the meaning behind the comments.

In defense of the comments, Morrow said

“By junk, I met autism, that condition, the illness or the neurodivergence,” said Morrow. “All of us have issues; all of us have problems. All of us have conditions. All of us have sicknesses and diseases and illnesses. And I just refuse to blame God for those things. ”

He had said that autism is born from demonic influence, defending the statement by saying,

“Yes, either in or around on, somehow it’s affecting,” said Morrow. “And when I say a demon, you people want to, like I said, they want to get that Hollywood description of what a demon is this nasty, so ugly and, and that’s not the case, it’s just an evil presence. It’s just the presence of evil.”

What’s more is that in addition to being a pastor, Morrow was on the board of Stoutland schools until resigning from his position amidst the backlash.

KY3 reached out to Stoutland Schools. It responded with this statement:

“The District is aware that a member of the Board of Education, in a setting and capacity outside of his board member role, made comments that have been interpreted as derogatory toward individuals with certain disabilities. One member of the Board of Education does not speak for the Board of Education as a whole, nor the District itself. The District is steadfast in its compliance with both the requirements of and the spirit of non-discrimination laws and our own Board-adopted policies regarding the same. Our school district welcomes students of all backgrounds, regardless of ability, and provides educational opportunities and services to each and everyone with commitment and care. I can confirm that the District has received a letter of resignation from the Board member, which will be presented to the board as a whole at the next meeting.”

For parents like Cox and Hennenberg who are worried about an Autism diagnosis or for people who are interested in learning more about the condition, Cox founded a non-profit called Show-Me Romey, named after her daughter Romey. They say the main focus of the group is to educate people in all areas on what autism is and where it comes from

“We can’t have autism acceptance until we have autism awareness,” said Cox. “And autism awareness is education.”

Cox and Hennenberg say people who make blanket statements about autism don’t understand the condition or the families it impacts.

Autistic children, special needs children, they are different, but they are not less,” said Hennengerg. “They are different, not less.”

If you want to learn more about autism, visit them on their website,.Showmeromey.org or their Facebook page.