Southern culture is American culture

In this episode, @TraeCrowderLiberalRedneck examines how “Southern culture” can be looked down upon and emulated at the same time.

The American South is a complicated place, and we know a lot less about it than we think we do. And many things about the South that seem to make no sense are less confounding in context. The reality is the history of many Southern things has been manipulated, hidden, or just plain ignored. Trae Crowder guides us through the pride points, failures, and contradictions in “Southin’ Off.”

My day so far

So I woke at 2 am to pee.   With my new heart medications, I pee at night almost every hour.  I also went to bed at 8 pm.  I tend to go to bed early due to both my medications and insulin / food at supper making me very sleepy.  So last night I went to bed at 8 pm.

Ron and I do not get tired normally at the same time.  I go to bed early and he normally doesn’t come to bed until 10 pm or later.  But we have a system.  I put my pills in little paper cups.  When I go to bed I set up and take my evening pills for that day, then set up my pills for morning and set it aside on the headboard, I then set up the 10 pm pain pills and set in a spicfic spot.  I set the night ones in one place and the morning ones go next to the morning other pills I take.  Then I set up my nighttime long acting Lantus insulin pen.  I take 25 units at night around 10 pm.  So I set the dial, put the needle on, but leave the cover and get the alcohol pad packet ready.  Yes we use them for our blood sugar sticks and our shots because the teaching over the years spent in the hospital ICU systems still resonate in us.   Then I go to bed.

Ron then comes down about 10 pm to wake me or remind me if I have not been sleeping to take the pills and shot.  Often by then he will be ready to come to bed, but sometimes not.  It is something that works well for us, as I get up much earlier in the morning than Ron does.  

Back to today.  I woke up at 2 am to pee, but couldn’t go back to sleep.  So I figured it was a great time to get up and deal with all the open tabs I have on both computers.  Also between 4:30 to 5:30 am I try to feed the two “outside cats”.  I am normally up by 5 am and they are used to that.  The outside cats are one feral distrustful female and one former inside cat that often spends days in our home to go back out at night. We wanted him to be out during the day and in all night, but after a month or two of fighting with him, he won.  He comes in during the day and sleeps or what ever, and is out all night.  So I fed them and made of him as he wandered around inside.

Later that morning when Ron got up.  

Ron and I took the skirting off parts of the back and the side at the back of the house to inspect the old internet coaxial cable that was run for us in 2007.  The current cable is a two part cable because when we first signed up with the internet company we got the entire package, TV, phone, and internet.  We soon dropped phone for cells, then dropped cable for internet entertainment.  So all we have is internet.  And we are happy with that, if not the price.  As I said before we use the max out of our internet.  The company recently forced us to go through a week of on and off internet to double our speeds, which I am sure they will soon jack the price for.  When I talk to others around the country about their internet speeds and costs a lot of people get far greater speeds for less cost, but what can we do?  We really are dependent on our internet for everything from our TV, computers, to our security system. 

The first thing we did after breakfast was go out and remove panels of the skirting on the back of the house and the side near the back.  The intent was to see where and how I had split it off when it was first put in on the beginning of 2007.  Because we had signed up for Phone, cable, and internet they ran a large two-sided cable from their box at the back of the yard which they then  split a distance under the home to send one half to and hooked into the home, then I split the internet part off to several rooms in the house.   Over the years we got rid of landline phone service and then cable.  So the old cable stayed only with the second part cut off at the boxes at the end of the home.  

Since I hope this is the last office change and both Ron and I want to get it as perfect as we can we have decided to replace the existing large two-sided cable with a new modern upgraded coaxial cable just for the internet to the spot we plan to put the modem and router.  

Which saw Ron and me outside at 10 am in the Florida sun / heat taking the skirting off spots in the back and side of the house to determine what we needed to do to run new coaxial cable.  Ron insisted on taking the side panels at the south side of the home off while we were in the direct sun because he was sure the answers we needed were further up the house.  I knew how the cables were run because I was deeply involved with them when they were being done back in 2007, but I also know enough after 33 years of living together to just let Ron do what he is sure is right until he is proven wrong.  Then if I know what is good for my future affections for a while I never let on that I was “damn well right in the first place”

So to make the longest story shorter after taking off the back panels I had seen the place their orange cable came in and our double cable was hooked to and ran under the home, split off to a now cut line, and ran the rest of the way under the home.  So the solution was clear and simple.  So simple it leads to an argument until Ron and I got on the same page and he understood what I was saying.  So we measured the length of the back of the house to the corner and then up to where we thought roughly that the wall from the new office to the current office room.  Leaving room for “stuff” we came up with 45 feet.  So Ron then decided to add to that length of the rest of the home.  He came up with 70 feet.  

At this point I felt the need to remind Ron that the official length of our home was 56.5 feet long.  He was not happy and insisted we needed a new 70 foot cable in case we ever wanted to move the modem from my office to another part of the house like the planned for new living room.  I knew when trying to fight a point was not worth doing so, and agreed to look the cable length up at either Home Depot or Lowes.

That is when things got a bit tense.  First let me say I have made many cables, both coaxial and Ethernet.  I did it for years.  I have all the tools and supplies.  But I just don’t want to do it now.  I want this to be the last time we do it, open the skirting which is a bitch to open and harder to close and then run this cable.  I trust the manufactured cables more than my ability these days.  Ron was angry I did not want to do it because at the stores we could only get 50 feet or 100 feet in the lengths we needed.  Ron wanted to buy 70 feet which both stores will sell the cables by the foot with out ends and have me put the ends on.  I told him to get the 50 foot for about 30 dollars or the 100 foot for 40 dollars.  I am not sure which he will get.  He finally gave in.  I just don’t want to do it anymore, even though I am sure I can.  

Then after being outside and kneeling in the grass, my allergies were in full bloom.  My hands that were in the grass to look under the house and help me get back on my feet were turning red and itching.  I stayed out with Ron while he closed up the skirting, which is a true bitch, then I came in and took a shower while he mowed the lawn with the new 6.5 amp 18 volt batteries we bought for the mower.  Now let’s move on to the rest of the day.

One of the great things of my new Scotties Playtime Pink Palace is that I can swivel the video monitor and put on headphones and do the dishes while watching the video screen from the kitchen sink / counters!  Those video monitor arms are awesome.  So I did the dishes.  Now I want people to understand, we have a very fancy expensive dishwasher that has not worked correctly since Ian.  We paid a repair company $110 to come in, run it for 10 minutes, hear it run, see it had a bit of water and leave saying nothing wrong with it.  So after it wouldn’t fill or run, Ron replaced a bunch of parts, including the pump.  Then he gave up and we just continued doing dishes by hand in the sink using the dishwasher racks to drain the dishes.  The problem is to replace the dishwasher will cost about $700 dollars and I need new glasses as mine have a chip out of them and my eyes have gotten worse.  The glasses I get have always been around $700 dollars at the least expensive place.  The one time Ron and I tried a different place, they wanted 1,400 dollars for the same glasses.  Screw that.

But while there was not really a large amount of dishes, only about 24 hours worth for two people, it took me 2 and a half hours.  Yes sorry but I struggle to stand, move, work with my arms and shoulders.  So those dishes took me that long.  During it I needed to take pain medications.  While I was doing dishes, Ron took a well deserved break.  He offered to dry the dishes but I really felt he deserved more of a break.  The man is 68, has his own health issues, and was out in the Florida sun / heat mowing our lawn.  I wanted him to sit in his recliner after he took his shower, watch his TV, and relax.  And tonight he is going to make supper of burgers and salads.

A few hours later:   Ron made two burgers each and two small salads.  Small salads for us means a regular size bowl and a large salad which is what I normally have is a very large pasta bowl full of salad.  So I made two burgers the way I like and took them to my new office along with my salad.  But I soon realized I wouldn’t be able to eat both burgers and the salad.  As I was finishing my first burger, Ron opened the door and asked if I needed anything and I offered him my second burger.  He smiled.  He knew that was coming.  I wish I did.  He told me he had not made his second burger because he figured when he saw me take both of mine I wouldn’t be able to finish them.  He asked and I explained what was on them.  He ate my second burger and I finished my salad.  He then told me he loved it, the way I make a burger on a bun is great, but I only put salts, lettuce, pickle slices, and a tad bit of both mustard and A1 steak sauce.  But it worked out, I did not over eat and he got a great burger along with putting in the fridge the leftover burger which he will eat later.  He loves cold hamburgers, which I find abhorrent.   It is sad in a way, in the old days we would both eat two or three burgers and a whole bag of store bought french fries.  These days when Ron asks I don’t have him make fries.  No way I can eat that much.  If I am going to have fries I can only have at most one burger.  Or instead of the burgers I will just have fries which is horrible for my blood sugar.  

So everything I normally do at the end of the day is done.  The cats have been fed, Odie has been fed, and will get his shot closer to 8 pm.  I am going to bed with my muscles aching and my body pain starting to rise.  Ron has already popped in to ask if I want a back rub or something before I go to sleep.  Gods he is wonderful.  But I told him we will cuddle when he comes to bed many hours from now.  

So that was / is the highlights of my day.   I am sure I forgot some stuff.  If you ask me questions I might remember what I forgot.  Otherwise I love you all, and wish those that like hugs many warm ones and those that don’t want hugs I extend best wishes.  Good night.  Scottie

Jimmy Carr’s Brutal Put-Down of Religion | Jimmy Carr – Telling Jokes | Jimmy Carr

Jimmy Carr likes to ask the big questions at his gigs. Especially ones involving that big beardy fella in the sky!

Cis Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual Britons Overwhelmingly Support The Trans Community – #LGBWithTheT

This is in direct refutation of the anti-trans haters that keep claiming that all other countries are stopping trans treatment.  It is, like everything else they claim, a lie.  Hugs

My last post about my childhood

Hello readers and followers.  In my last post I put in the line I needed to go clear my mind of the post.  That was because I had to go over and over what I wrote to correct it.  However I do not want people to take that as I might not want comments on the post.  If you have a comment to make, please feel free to do so.  And I will respond.  I belong to a survivor’s forum and talking about the abuse and feed back from others can be helpful.  That is why all the therapist I have seen in the past recommending writing it out even if it was only in a letter I wouldn’t ever send.  It is just a way to get it out of my mind and body and try to let it go away.  If you try to ignore it or deny it, if you do what I did for so very long and bury it as deep as possible never letting on why you are hurting it leads to consequences such as self harm.  Thank you.  Hugs

Let’s talk about Biden, recommendations, and information….

Florida approves “classical” education exam backed by DeSantis

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/08/florida-classic-learning-test-in-public-university-admissions

Notice this is the test backed by fundamentalist Christians, home school parents who don’t want any questions that might be based on books and ideas they don’t allow their kids to read that public schools did … until now, and it is the favorite among the hard right wing that wants to deny real history and science.  It is the test of choice by home school parents, fundamentalist Christians, and ideologues who want a skewed version of history.  As one board member said, the test scores have not been verified to be an accurate measure of how well-educated a student is compared to the well researched SAT and ACT.  I will post some comments from Joe My God after this article.   Hugs

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis speaks at an event in August. Photo: Megan Varner/Getty Images

Florida’s public universities will now permit the Classic Learning Test in admissions, offering a conservative-backed alternative to the SAT and ACT.

Why it matters: Florida is now the first state university system in the country to allow for the Classic Learning Test (CLT), which has gained recent popularity among the state’s Christian and charter schools.

  • The classical education model — not to be confused with “classics” or “classical humanities” — focuses on a return to “core values” and the “centrality of the Western tradition.”

Driving the news: The Florida state university system’s board of governors on Friday approved the test for use in undergraduate admissions.

  • The system is pleased to add the CLT to reach a wider variety of students from different educational backgrounds. Not intimidated by controversy or critics, our focus is on the success of our students, and the State of Florida,” the State University System of Florida said in a statement Friday.
  • “Because we reject the status quo, today’s decision means we are better serving students by giving them an opportunity to showcase their academic potential and paving the path to higher education,” they added.

Of note: University of Florida professor Amanda Phalin was the only board member who opposed the approval of the Classic Learning Test during Friday’s meeting.

  • She said she wasn’t opposed to the use of the CLT overall but “the use of it at this time” because of a lack of empirical evidence demonstrating it is “of the same quality as the ACT and the SAT.”
  • Phalin clarified that her opposition did not stem from the test’s “focus,” “its content,” or “its creators.”
 
  • “I’m simply concerned because the test’s reliability and validity have not been independently demonstrated or verified,” Phalin said.

The big picture: Over 200 colleges across the U.S. accept the Classic Learning Test, which launched in 2015, according to Florida’s university system. It’s gained recent momentum in Florida charter schools and private Christian schools.

  • Homeschooling families and co-op groups have also used the test.

Flashback: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law in May that makes students “eligible to earn Bright Futures Scholarships with CLT scores,” per the test’s official website.

  • DeSantis office and the Florida Department of Education did not immediately respond to Axios’ request for comment.

Go deeperFlorida eyes “classical” education agenda

FL Universities To Accept “Christian SAT” Test Results

Evolution is a “theory”. God is a fact. Men have dominion. Women are chattel.

There. I just summarized the “classic” curriculum.

Also, people are born as either Christians or Muslims, but people choose to be gay or straight.

But its definitely true because I believe it and everything I believe must be regarded fact because muh rights

Slavery was gods will

It’s built right into the Bible!

So true unfortunately. In both the Old and New Testaments.

Evolution happened only one time, right after the ark landed.

 

And never you mind all the innocent babies and children that were drowned in the flood story.

(And puppies and kittens.)

 

Oh, and gawd will smite you for fantasizing about a hot actress or hunky actor.

He’s is destroying FL universities. That must be his plan. What does he think is going to happen? Well, this might allow unqualified persons (bible thumpers) to access jobs they have no right to have. I’m thinking FL civil services being taken over.
If you have not had to pleasure of working under an unqualified evangelical, let me tell you: it is soul crushing and very nearly killed me

Education has been a threat to the Republican party for a while now.

thinking too

 

From the 2012 Texas Republican party platform:

We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

(Bolding is motherfucking mine.)

Even if, as PolitiFact writes, “critical thinking” here refers to a specific relabeling of “outcome-based education” (which, as they note, takes many different forms), the platform plank still glorifies “fixed beliefs” and “parental authority” above true education.

https://www.politifact.com/…

 

That’s simple. The Christian right wants obedience, not creative thinking.

Problem is that the real working world will not settle for “Jesus did it” as an acceptable answer. Is it any wonder that current interest to attend Florida colleges have dropped 30%?

It’s been a few years decades since I took the ACT but I don’t remember any of it being woke or socialist or anti-Western or any other kind of nonsense. I’d bet the folks who approved this are heavily invested in it monetarily.

No, but you aren’t a right wing nutjob. The SAT allegedly (they never reveal how they structure the test) draws its vocabulary words from literature and current news. (So, words you would need to know to understand what you are reading.) If you stick to right wing news and avoid certain books commonly on HS and college reading lists, you are unlikely to know those words and won’t do as well on the test. That’s the bias they are worried about.

Home schooling advocates tout their higher test scores but there are two problems with that claim: 1) they often spend far more time on SAT test prep than public school students would get and 2) the students unlikely to do well on such tests just don’t take them. So the numbers are distorted. This is also true of the state mandated tests.

Justice Alito Refuses Lawmakers’ Demand To Recuse – JMG

He refuses to recluse himself or retire because he is on a mission from his god to force his god and his sect or highly strict religious views on the entire country.  He can not lose his spot as one of the 6 unelected claim to be untouchable rulers of the US.  What he says about congress having no authority over the courts is clearly and demonstrably wrong and if he really believes that he has lost his reasoning capacity so shouldn’t be on the bench.  Hugs

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Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2.

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;–to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;–to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;–to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;–to controversies between two or more states;–between a state and citizens of another state;–between citizens of different states;–between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.</blockquote>

Courthouse News reports:

Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito released a sharp statement on Friday, rebutting a request from lawmakers to step down from an upcoming tax case after he gave an interview with an attorney involved in the matter.

In July, Alito sat for an interview with David Rivkin Jr. and James Taranto to discuss the workings of the court. The resulting favorable article, which was filed on the Wall Street Journal’s opinion page, revealed the justice’s thoughts on prior rulings and his colleagues.

In an aside toward the end of the article, the authors divulged that Rivkin is participating in an upcoming tax case before the court, Moore v. U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Richard Durbin sent a letter to Chief Justice John Roberts, arguing Alito’s behavior warranted a recusal in the case. Alito disagreed.

The Guardian reports:

 



Alito, one of six conservative justices on the court, said in his statement, “When Mr Rivkin participated in the interviews and co-authored the articles, he did so as a journalist, not an advocate. The case in which he is involved was never mentioned; nor did we discuss any issue in that case either directly or indirectly.“

He added: “We have no control over the attorneys whom parties select to represent them.”

The senators’ letter also suggested Alito recuse himself in any future cases concerning legislation that regulates the court after he told the Journal, “No provision in the Constitution gives them the authority to regulate the Supreme Court – period.“

 

I can’t recuse from this case because one of the parties has already written my opinion
– Sam the Sham

Or the check was aready cashed and spent.

Sam’s owners would never let him skip this case. It’s going to rule that you can’t tax ‘wealth’.

History will speak about the ‘Roberts Court’ as being the most corrupt, most partisan, most ethically challenged barren.

And these should not be lifetime appointments. The very idea is absurd and wrong. I don’t know how long is appropriate but there needs to be term limits. These people should not be allowed to rule our highest court for the rest of their lives. Same for Congress. Term limits – not just endlessly re-elected. It’s no wonder our laws and government is so incredibly fucked up.

The senators’ letter also suggested Alito recuse himself in any future cases concerning legislation that regulates the court after he told the Journal, “No provision in the Constitution gives them the authority to regulate the Supreme Court – period.“

That statement should warrant recusal, it calls for impeachment. Sadly we will not have a large enough congressional majority to make it happen.

He, without shame or embarrassment, announced he does not understand basic, easy to comprehend parts of the our constitution.

They’ve already mangled the easy to comprehend phrase “well regulated” so a little more “reinterpretation” of other parts won’t be a big deal.

Alito is also lying when he says the Constitution doens’t allow Congress to pass laws on the SCOTUS.

https://verdict.justia.com/…

Cause Republicans say “My ignorance of my job means you can’t prove I’m unfit for my job!”

[He added: “We have no control over the attorneys whom parties select to represent them.”]

Right, which is why all courts do conflict checks and then recuse the judge if it turns out that the attorneys are their buddies, lovers, donors, in-laws, former clerks, former clients etc. It’s literally at the top of the case checklists.

Alito and Thomas are corrupt to the core and they don’t give a fuck because no one, least of all Roberts, is going to hold them to account. They are the embodiment of the GQP “ethos.”

which is “I got mine, fuck you.”

Unaccountable tyrants.

Judicial review of federal statutes isn’t in the Constitution either. Perhaps that’s something we need to rethink? 🙂

I wonder how he’ll vote.

Fucking Federalist Society needs to be destroyed.

It’s pretty much a guarantee that the republic will be disabled now. The SCOTUS is owned by those who have no use for it.

What an antiquated notion! (Unfortunately.)

Seriously, in today’s age, shame has zero effect on right-wingers. In fact, if you try to shame them, they wear it as a badge of honor.

This is actually great news, not Alitos words but the fact that he fell right into the trap. This is terrible optics and only helps Dems when they decide to do something about the out of control court.

I know there aren’t juries at the SC, but I feel this is how the conservaturd justices act with the cases.

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We have no control over the attorneys whom parties select to represent them

…but if they’re smart they’ll figure out which ones are there best bets.

Christian Right corrupt judges need to be recused from America.

Of course he won’t recuse; recusal is for honest people who value the law. He’s going to Guiliani this one out.

THE DEMOCRATIC CONSPIRACY! | Armageddon Update | Christopher Titus

Ron DeSantis Is Afraid of Questions From a 15-Year-Old

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-president-candidate-ron-desantis-is-afraid-of-questions-from-15-year-old-quinn-mitchell

This is long but serious, I strongly recommend reading this report.  I thank Ali for the link.  The DeathSantis people assaulted and detained a 15 year old who asked the candidate a question that embarrassed DeathSantis.  After that the staff and security targeted the young man at future public events, photographing him and adding ominous captions, security not only followed him but blocked him several times while ordering him not to move for extended periods of time, preventing him from joining friends and family, and after manhandling him refused to let him go to his parents and blocked his mother from getting to him.  These are all illegal as they are illegally detaining someone which in some states is kidnapping, they put their hands on him, grabbed his shirt yanking him around which is assault.  Then DeathSantis wife told the boy’s mother that the boy was lying when the mother made a complaint, even though the boy’s version was backed up by witnesses and texts from people around him.   The DeathSantis team think that they can get away with this because it is a teenager but they will do this to others if they are not punished for this action.  However I doubt the boy will file a legal complaint because he wants more access to candidates to ask questions and do interviews, so he has to keep them on good terms.   

We all know DeathSantis is an authorities wannabe king.  He is a fascist who will not allow anyone to question him.  He made his name being a thug to the press and anyone who dared to not agree with him.  He wields authority as a club to beat down everyone else to make him superior to everyone in his own view of the world.  Think of this man with the control over the levers of power of the presidency?  Think how he would weaponize the federal government against anyone who displeases him?  He has shown how he would govern the country in how he governs Florida.  As I told Ali, this is very scary?    Hugs.


The Florida governor’s operation went to extraordinary lengths to intimidate a high school sophomore—all for a question about Donald Trump.

Charles Krupa/AP

Quinn Mitchell has seen at least 35 presidential candidates in person since 2019, when he first started showing up at New Hampshire primary events to ask them questions.

Not a single one of them had ever treated the now-15-year-old as if he were a threat—until Ron DeSantis came to town.

It all started with a straightforward question. In June, when DeSantis stopped for a town hall event in Hollis, Mitchell raised his hand in the crowd.

 

“Do you believe that Trump violated the peaceful transfer of power,” the teenager asked the governor, “a key principle of American democracy that we must uphold?”

DeSantis dodged the question and said Americans shouldn’t get stuck in the past, but not before remarking—in a somewhat impressed, incredulous tone—on Mitchell’s age. “Are you in high school?” the governor asked.

The moment went viral, with DeSantis’ non-answer encapsulating how even Donald Trump’s lead primary rival could not bring himself to acknowledge the former president’s efforts to undo the 2020 election. CNN even played it during an interview with Chris Christie to tee up a question to the Trump foe.

For Mitchell, however, the exchange kicked off a series of events that deeply rattled him and his family.

Speaking about it for the first time in an interview with The Daily Beast, Mitchell says that he was grabbed and physically intimidated by DeSantis security at two subsequent campaign stops, where the candidate’s staffers also monitored him in a way he perceived as hostile.

The experience, Mitchell said, was “horrifying” and amounted to “intimidation.”

At a Fourth of July parade DeSantis attended, Mitchell was swarmed by security and physically restrained after a brief interaction with the governor—with his private security contractors even demanding Mitchell stay put until they said so.

With his mother alarmed, the situation escalated to such a degree that the candidate’s wife, Casey, spoke directly with her—but to suggest her son was being dishonest about what happened, according to Mitchell.

Then, at an August 19 event—where Mitchell was tailed closely by two security guards—an attendee told The Daily Beast they saw a staffer for DeSantis’ super PAC, Never Back Down, take a photo of the teenager on Snapchat before typing out an ominous caption: “Got our kid.”

Seven other sources corroborated Mitchell’s version of events, either by sharing contemporaneous communications with the family or recounting what they witnessed in person at DeSantis events, including the Fourth of July parade. The teenager and his family say they have yet to receive any kind of apology from DeSantis.

The DeSantis campaign and Never Back Down did not return multiple requests for comment from The Daily Beast.

As astute an observer of the state’s politics as any, Mitchell had a blunt assessment of the fiasco over DeSantis’ treatment of him. “Really stupid,” he said, “in a small state like New Hampshire.”

‘I Just Want to Ask My Question’

As the DeSantis campaign’s summer from hell comes to an end, the governor is not much closer to seriously threatening Trump for the GOP nomination. Amid concerns over his stagnant polling numbers, his fundraising performance, and unsustainable spending, the DeSantis operation has seen substantial turnover, including the ouster of his campaign manager.

Across all of the reboots and turmoil, a consistent thread apparently remained: the DeSantis team’s willingness to go to unusual lengths to prevent a teenage boy from having a chance to follow up with the candidate on his question—and, to hear Mitchell tell it, personally express regret that he made the governor look bad.

More broadly, the teenager’s story distills some key reasons why DeSantis’ presidential bid is struggling: a candidate with clear difficulty making personal connections, a team obsessed with managing every detail on the campaign trail, and a pervasive anxiety over the idea of alienating Trump voters.

Combined together, those factors may ensure DeSantis gets nowhere near the White House in 2024. In New Hampshire, they’ve already pushed a precocious and passionate teenager to consider quitting politics altogether.

“I may be older now and know I can handle this a lot more, but if they had done that to me a few years back, I don’t know if I could have handled that,” Mitchell said. “It’s unfortunate, because I just want to ask my question.”

In the nation’s first primary state, where individual voters can have an outsized impact on the process, Mitchell made himself a staple of the New Hampshire political scene before he was even a teenager.

A self-described political independent who loves history and politics, Mitchell sees it as his “civic duty” to show up to ask questions, especially on behalf of “people who live in other states and the people who want to ask those questions,” who “don’t always get the opportunity.”

Before DeSantis, presidential candidates have not just tolerated the teenager but seemed to genuinely appreciate him. In the 2020 Democratic primary, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) met with Mitchell and later worked his enthusiasm for politics into her stump speech.

More recently, Christie not only gave him a shoutout during the CNN interview—“he goes to every town hall meeting… he asks really tough questions”—but was quoted in a recent USA Today profile of Mitchell. “Quinn, remember me when you are president,” the former New Jersey governor quipped.

‘They’re Watching You’

After his question about Jan. 6 blew up on DeSantis, Mitchell—who was not intending to land a punch on the governor—said he “genuinely felt bad about it.” A few days later, he woke up early for the hour-and-a-half drive to Merrimack, where he intended to personally say as much to DeSantis at the town’s Fourth of July parade.

Once there, the high level of security around the governor’s contingent stood out to Mitchell and other observers. Staffers for the super PAC, Never Back Down, “were nudging the security guys and pointing at me,” Mitchell said. “I actually had a reporter come up and just say, ‘They’re pointing at you and they’re watching you.’”

Unfazed, Mitchell patiently walked along as the candidate crossed from curb to curb, shaking hands with voters; each time he came close to DeSantis, however, the security guards would hold their arms out in front and parry him away.

Finally, Mitchell was able to get within earshot of the governor. When he passed by, he told him, “I’m so sorry that I got you in all that trouble,” and offered him a chance to give a different or more detailed answer to the question.

According to Mitchell, DeSantis nodded in response, at least acknowledging his question, and the two had a quick handshake. That’s when things went south: right after the handshake, Mitchell recalled his shock when he felt a firm tug on his shirt, pulling him away from DeSantis. Suddenly, all he could see were the outstretched arms of security guards and plain clothed aides.

“Usually what they do is they don’t push you or anything, but they put their hands out and kind of body you, so you just don’t move, basically,” Mitchell said, describing a shuffling motion more akin to an offensive line on a football team than a presidential candidate’s security detail.

If that were not startling enough, right after the fracas, a DeSantis security guard cornered Mitchell and ordered him not to move from the spot for another five minutes. In response, he did what almost any 15-year old would do.

He texted his mom.

Toward the end of the parade, Mitchell’s mother reunited with her son and then demanded an explanation from DeSantis for why his security detail was putting their hands on her boy, an interaction that was observed by a Boston Globe reporter on the scene.

What the Globe didn’t catch was the involvement of the second most important person in the DeSantis campaign: Casey, the governor’s wife and arguably his top political adviser.

Instead of diffusing the situation, however, the Florida First Lady suggested to Mitchell’s mother that she was overreacting—and that her son was fibbing.

“Well, I’m a mother, too,” Casey said, according to Mitchell and other witnesses, along with multiple sources who shared contemporaneous communications on the incident with The Daily Beast. “I know what you’re experiencing, and we’re all very afraid for our children—even if they’re exaggerating.”

As for the candidate himself, DeSantis told Mitchell he would “get to the bottom” of the one-sided encounter with security, and even told the teenager to come to his next event.

‘Got Our Kid’

Ahead of their August 19 event, a staffer for Never Back Down reached out to Mitchell. USA Today let the PAC know that a photographer wanted to come photograph Mitchell for the upcoming profile. The staffer just wanted to confirm he would be in attendance.

The teenager obliged. But after walking into the event, held in a firearm factory in Newport, he noticed something odd.

It wasn’t just that he saw a pair of security guards flanking him as he made his way to the far side of the venue. The weird part was that Never Back Down staffers were taking photos of him. It was notable to Mitchell, even before he learned of the ominous caption—“got our kid”—that one staffer was seen attaching to a Snapchat photo.

The governor kept audience questions to a tight 15 minutes, throwing Mitchell a glance but ignoring his outstretched hand, though the teenager now stands over 6 feet tall.

Security kept their defensive posture as Mitchell tried to make his way to stage right—where DeSantis was attempting to chat with voters and take selfies—blocking him from getting toward the group of voters waiting to chat with the candidate.

Even after Mitchell gave up on his months-long pursuit of a follow-up question to DeSantis about his views on Trump and the transfer of power, security prevented him from crossing the room to see a family friend, until they eventually relented.

Since the incidents, Mitchell has not heard from the DeSantis campaign, or the PAC, though he expected to. He could not reach an in-state contact for the governor’s team himself.

“The campaign, they could have called and said, ‘We’re so sorry, this should have never happened, we’ll get to the bottom of it,’” Mitchell said. “Never got a call like that. They never apologized to us for any of it.”

Mitchell often says that it’s a privilege to live in New Hampshire, a state where even a determined teenager can have the power to influence the presidential election in a small way. His dream is to become a political reporter, but he said the DeSantis events almost made him want to hang it up for good.

Whatever happens, Mitchell is likely to keep up his rigorous primary schedule—even if he’s unlikely to try to see DeSantis again anytime soon. But the teenager said if he ran into him “at conventions or a multiple candidate event, I will do my best to press him.”

Still, the political history buff came away with one silver lining after the last DeSantis event.

“I actually got a free hat that day,” Mitchell said, a fine collector’s item, even if it was for the Never Back Down PAC and not the DeSantis campaign proper.

For a 15-year-old who sacrificed more than a few dog days of summer—and more than a few hours of Minecraft—to be treated as a security threat by a major presidential candidate, a free Never Back Down hat selling for nearly $30 online was, he quipped, “probably the only good thing that happened that day.”

There is more election news in the article at the link, but this is the end of the coverage of the campaigns attempt to intimadate, manhandle, and detain a 15 year old boy asking good tough questions of adults.   Hugs