The Science of Biological Sex

The medical science is in, the debate is over.  Yes it is hard for some people to understand or change.  All their lives they really thought biology of sex, who was male or female came down to if your part was an outtie or an innie.  If it dangled outside the body or if you could put something in it.  That is not how biologists classify male and female anymore.  The notion that sex is not strictly binary is not even scientifically controversial. Among experts it is a given, an unavoidable conclusion derived from actually understanding the biology of sex.  It is more accurate to describe biological sex in humans as bimodal, but not strictly binary.  In order for sex to be binary there would need to be two non-overlapping and unambiguous ends to that continuum, but there clearly isn’t. There is every conceivable type of overlap in the middle – hence bimodal, but not binary.

There are two paraghraps that address the question of gametes and of sexual organs, again proving that they are not binary.  Also the article address differences in sexual organs and how they are not the rare differences they once were thought to be.  They are in fact much more common.   This article is very informative and easy to read.  It is a bit longer than some want to read but if you want to know the truth about sex, trans gender, and biology you will read it.  If not you will repeat and stick to the same failed incorrect talking points.   Hugs

Steven Novella on July 13, 2022

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For example, in a recent article by James Lyons-Weiler (“Biology is the biology is the biology“) he begins:

Most of us are born male or female. This is not our “assigned gender”: it’s our biological sex. An individuals’s sex is determined in animals (and plants) via the chromosomes one is born with.

For most of us, we ARE male, or we ARE female. Unfortunately, early scientific articles conflated “gender” and “sex”, and much of society conflate them this as well. Depending on context, someone might need to know your sex (karyotype).

Biological sex is not binary

It is absolutely true that humans display sexual dimorphism, with a typical male and typical female set of traits. There is no third sex, or pole, or sexual archetype. This can be distinguished, for example, from body type which is understood as trimodal – ectomorphic, endomorphic, and mesomorphic – forming a triangle with individuals falling somewhere between the three poles. Biological sex has only two poles, with one axis of variation between them. (See the main image for a good visual representation of binary vs bimodal.)

It is also true that most people tend to cluster around one of the two poles of biological sex. At first glance, looking superficially at the human population, it may seem binary. This is because binary and bimodal can look very similar if you don’t dig down into the details – so let’s do that.

First we need to consider all the traits relevant to sex that vary along this bimodal distribution. The language and concepts for these traits have been evolving too, but here is a current generally accepted scheme for organizing these traits:

  • Genetic sex
  • Morphological sex, which includes reproductive organs, external genitalia, gametes and secondary morphological sexual characteristics (sometimes these and genetic sex are referred to collectively as biological sex, but this is problematic for reasons I will go over)
  • Sexual orientation (sexual attraction)
  • Gender identity (how one understands and feels about their own gender)
  • Gender expression (how one expresses their gender to the world)

We surveyed the medical literature from 1955 to the present for studies of the frequency of deviation from the ideal male or female. We conclude that this frequency may be as high as 2% of live births. The frequency of individuals receiving “corrective” genital surgery, however, probably runs between 1 and 2 per 1,000 live births (0.1-0.2%).

If what I have discussed up to this point were all there were to sex, I honestly don’t think the topic would be that controversial. All biological traits vary in a complex and messy way, and sexual characteristics are no exception (why would they be?). Most of the controversy surrounds sexual dimorphism and the brain. Again, here we see that there are statistical differences only, with greater variation within the sexes than between them.

This is where communicating these ideas gets tricky, because some experts might express this reality by saying that there are more than two sexes. I think this may be counterproductive conceptually. I prefer the “bimodal but not binary” approach. But understand the real point – a strictly binary definition of biological sex cannot possibly capture all of the actual variation, which includes many possible states of sexual orientation. You can also see, on the other side, that claiming there are only two sexes because “gametes” is hopelessly reductionist and poorly informed.

And now gender

Denying difference out of existence

Some people, however, may accept the specific arguments but reject the conclusion with what I consider to be dubious logic. One approach is to say – what is the practical difference between bimodal and binary? Why should sexuality in any way be defined by the 2% (to use a representative round figure) rather than the 98%? But this misses the actual issue, which is how we think about the 2% – are they part of biological diversity or can we define them out of existence?

A 2018 study found:

Overall it’s too early to form a confident conclusion, but the data is trending in the exact same direction as similar research into sexual orientation – the brains of trans individuals appear to be different than their cis counterparts.

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  • Steven NovellaFounder and currently Executive Editor of Science-Based Medicine Steven Novella, MD is an academic clinical neurologist at the Yale University School of Medicine. He is also the host and producer of the popular weekly science podcast, The Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe, and the author of the NeuroLogicaBlog, a daily blog that covers news and issues in neuroscience, but also general science, scientific skepticism, philosophy of science, critical thinking, and the intersection of science with the media and society. Dr. Novella also has produced two courses with The Great Courses, and published a book on critical thinking – also called The Skeptics Guide to the Universe.View all posts 

Is the Barbie Movie Woke? – Trae Crowder – STAND UP CLIP

Talked about Barbie bein woke this weekend at my shows. (I’m new to posting these vertical standup clips on YT so forgive me if it’s weird or not workin right.) See me live: http://www.traecrowder.com

Visualizing Sex as a Spectrum

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/

I recently posted a video on how a lot of things go into determining a person’s sex.   A human’s sex is created using different ingredients, and everyone has different amounts of those ingredients.   I realized I should present a non-video presentation also.  I went looking for graphs or charts to explain what the video said, when I found this great article in Scientific American.  It has the graphs and charts, but more importantly it addresses the issue of males have external sexual organs and females have internal ones.  Here is a quote from the article.  Biological sex, on the other hand, appears to leave less room for debate. You either have two X chromosomes or an X and a Y; ovaries or testes; a vagina or a penis. Regardless of how an individual ends up identifying, they are assigned to one sex or the other at birth based on these binary sets of characteristics.  But of course, sex is not that simple either.  Moreover, sex cannot be depicted as a simple, one-dimensional scale. In the world of DSDs, an individual may shift along the spectrum as development brings new biological factors into play.

The article is informative and pretty easy to read.   Hugs


 

Infographic reveals the startling complexity of sex determination

By Amanda Montañez on August 29, 2017

Visualizing Sex as a Spectrum
Infographic by Pitch Interactive and Amanda Montañez Credit: Amanda Montañez (photo)

Sex and gender pervade nearly every aspect of our lives. Each time we use a public restroom, shop for clothes, or fill out a form, we are insistently reminded that we must be either male or female; men or women; boys or girls. Even things that ostensibly have nothing to do with sex or gender—what we eat, for example, or the books we read—are often sold to us as if they are necessarily feminine or masculine.

Some of these conventions currently face challenges, some more polarizing than others. On the milder end of things, enterprising online retailers promote gender-neutral clothing for babies, and city transport authorities mercifully abolish the phrase “ladies and gentlemen” from public announcements. And on the other side of the controversy scale, U.S. state legislators debate so-called “bathroom bills,” which would prohibit transgender individuals from using public restrooms corresponding to their gender identity. This dispute has prompted some venues to offer a gender-neutral restroom option, or simply to do away with gender distinctions altogether in their facilities.

But of course, sex is not that simple either.

The September issue of Scientific American explores the fascinating and evolving science of sex and gender. One of the graphics I had the pleasure of working on breaks down the idea of biological sex as a non-binary attribute, focusing largely on what clinicians refer to as disorders of sex development (DSD), also known as intersex.

The project was originally conceived as a data-driven graphic exploring the spectra of sex and gender. I wondered, for instance, what data could tell us about the frequency of transgender and non-binary identities, what proportion of the population is intersex, and how that value might break down into rates of specific DSDs.

I hired the researcher Amanda Hobbs to look into these questions, and what she came back with, rather than answers, looked more like a series of new questions. The search for solid data on transgender and intersex populations proved challenging, and was confounded by a variety of factors. For example, surveys often lump transgender in with gay, lesbian, and bisexual identities. And DSDs, in addition to being variously defined by different entities, sometimes go undetected or emerge unexpectedly, either during sexual development or later in life.

The project abruptly transformed into an exercise in visualizing complexity. First, it seemed imperative to define a few terms. Sex, gender, and sexuality are all distinct from one another (although they are often related), and each exists on its own spectrum. Moreover, sex cannot be depicted as a simple, one-dimensional scale. In the world of DSDs, an individual may shift along the spectrum as development brings new biological factors into play. The density of science underlying this phenomenon compelled a shift towards intersex as the primary focus of the visualization.

Now that my task was clear, I set about assembling the content of the graphic and putting it down on paper. In part, this process clarified how much I could include, as the complete list of known DSDs and their various manifestations proved unwieldy for a single spread in a print magazine. I ended up with a visual outline of sorts depicting a diverse selection of conditions and their convoluted pathways of development over time. Although not an especially pretty sketch, it captured the sense of intricacy the topic demanded.

Visual outline
Credit: Amanda Montañez

Next I consulted with Dr. Amy Winsiewski, a DSD specialist at the University of Oklahoma, who was kind enough to review the content of my sketch for accuracy. And finally, I called upon the visualization experts at Pitch Interactive to help bring the project to life.

Sketch
Credit: Pitch Interactive

Once the aesthetic of the graphic had been established, I continued to refine both the text and design elements, guided by feedback from my colleagues who helped identify areas that were unclear or difficult to follow.

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The finished print graphic
Credit: Pitch Interactive and Amanda Montañez
Detail of the finished print graphic
Credit: Pitch Interactive and Amanda Montañez

The resulting visualization is a source of pride for me, as I hope it is for everyone who contributed to its development. (You can see a larger version here in the September digital issue.) Design and visual communication feats aside, I believe the content itself is of critical importance from a social and policy perspective.

DSDs—which, broadly defined, may affect about one percent of the population—represent a robust, evidence-based argument to reject rigid assignations of sex and gender. Certain recent developments, such as the Swedish adoption of a gender-neutral singular pronoun, and the growing call to stop medically unnecessary surgeries on intersex babies, indicate a shift in the right direction. I am hopeful that raising public awareness of intersex, along with transgender and non-binary identities, will help align policies more closely with scientific reality, and by extension, social justice.

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The biology of gender, from DNA to the brain | Karissa Sanbonmatsu

Again a biologist destroys the idea that gender is binary, male / female.   Really just as science moved on from the ideas of 2,500 years ago of biblical writers that couldn’t understand the solar system or have an idea of germ theory, it has moved on from the 1950s stereotypical two genders model of male / female only model popular in the 1950s, where men were automatically at the top of the chart.   Science from a scientist destroys tradition.  Female / male brains develop differently in the womb.   Well it was never this way before or hey tradition was this all my life so it should still be.  It is not just feelings, it is based in science facts.  Hugs 

How exactly does gender work? It’s not just about our chromosomes, says biologist Karissa Sanbonmatsu. In a visionary talk, she shares new discoveries from epigenetics, the emerging study of how DNA activity can permanently change based on social factors like trauma or diet. Learn how life experiences shape the way genes are expressed — and what that means for our understanding of gender.

Marjorie Taylor Greene says it’s OK to show naked Hunter Biden pics because of LGBTQ+ people

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-its-ok-to-show-naked-hunter-biden-pics-because-of-lgbtq-people/

How does this make any sense?  What is the causal effect between gay people existing and showing revenge nudes in public of someone without their consent.   She asks why people are upset over her pushing them on her supporters and displaying them in a committee hearing but not upset Hunter put them on the internet.   Because Marge, they are his pictures or him / his genitals so he has the right to do that, you don’t have that right without his permission.   Plus the Federal House of Representatives is not the place for such disrespect and disregard for decorum.   This is again an internet troll trying to justify doing something that hurts others for her own gratification.  Hugs

It’s OK for Greene to send a link to a pornographic video to her followers because some schools have a book about a penguin with two dads.

By Alex Bollinger Tuesday, July 25, 2023

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R) laughs when asked if she feels any responsibility for the deaths caused by her vaccine misinformation.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R) laughs when asked if she feels any responsibility for the deaths caused by her vaccine misinformation.Photo: Screenshot

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) continues to face blowback for her decision to show naked pictures of President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden at a House Oversight Committee hearing last week, and now she’s arguing that it was OK to show the pictures in Congress because LGBTQ+ kids exist.

“The same people offended by this,” she wrote, sharing a screenshot of the pictures with some parts blacked out, “support genital mutilation of children, sexualizing kids with LGBTQ agenda books in school, support men dressed in drag showing their genitals to kids at parades and drag shows and would give anything to have this kind of proof to use against” Donald Trump’s elder sons Eric and Donald Jr.

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“But they aren’t offended at Hunter Biden for making sex videos with prostitutes and uploading his sex tapes onto porn sites himself.”

Last week, the Republican House Oversight Committee held a hearing that was ostensibly about two IRS whistleblowers who claimed that the Department of Justice slow-walked prosecution of the president’s son over a tax matter because he was receiving preferential treatment.

House Republicans convened the hearing despite the fact that Hunter Biden agreed to plea guilty to two charges of failing to pay federal income taxes and one charge related to gun possession in an agreement with federal prosecutors this past June. He does not work in the White House, and he holds no public office.

The hearing devolved when Greene claimed to have pictures of Hunter Biden allegedly having sex with sex workers, screenshots from a video he uploaded to a website, and she showed the pictures at the Oversight hearing. Democrats were quick to point out that the pictures didn’t prove wrongdoing and that they’re a form of the “pornographic content” that Greene herself has built a reputation of opposing, even referring to sex education books as pornography and saying that they “groom” children.

“Today’s hearing is like most of the majority’s investigations and hearings: a lot of allegations, zero proof, no receipts, but apparently some d**k pics,” out Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA) said at the hearing.

Greene then sent a fundraising email to her supporters that included a link to a video with the nude pictures of Hunter Biden, sharing the pornographic images with a large audience of unknown ages, leading to accusations of possibly distributing pornography to minors.

She has faced criticism since last week for her actions. Hunter Biden’s lawyer, Abbe David Lowell, filed a complaint with the House Ethics Committee, saying that Greene “lowered herself, and by extension the entire House of Representatives, to a new level of abhorrent behavior that blatantly violates House Ethics rules and standards of official conduct.”

“Rather than evaluate the credibility of the IRS agents’ testimony or review our tax laws, Ms. Greene sought to use the power of her office to generate some clicks online, fundraise, and provide sensationalist clips for Fox News at the expense of harassing and embarrassing Mr. Biden, a private citizen,” Lowell wrote. “This political stunt by Ms. Greene will go down as a historic event unbecoming of any member of Congress and beneath the dignity of the House of Representatives.”

In her tweet, Greene claimed that “the corrupt DOJ has not prosecuted Hunter Biden” even though he was charged by federal prosecutors last month and agreed to a plea deal with the DOJ.

Parents protest school district’s no opt-out policy for LGBTQ+-inclusive curriculum

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/07/parents-protest-school-districts-no-opt-out-policy-for-lgbtq-inclusive-curriculum/

Gay and trans people exist, get over it!   Gay and trans kids exist.  LGBTQ+ people are real and in every part of society.  We deserve equality and our civil rights.  We deserve representation in media as much as white religious people.  These programs are not sexual acts or positions instructions.   These programs do not teach kids how to change their genders and flaunt their parent’s god.  What they do is give kids information on what some feelings they are having might be, they teach that different people exist.  These programs increase understanding, acceptance, and tolerance for people that are different.   That is what really is horrifying to these religious bigots.  They seem to think if they deny that LGBTQ+ people are real, if they wipe out any representation of them in media of all kinds, they can make the LGBTQ+ disappear.  Poof, gone.  It doesn’t work that way!  It is like claiming that redheads don’t exist and removing books and movies that have redheads in them that redheads will disappear.  Do they think if they ignore people of color, they will just stop existing?  It doesn’t happen that way.  Like red hair and skin color being LGBTQ+ is something you are born as, it is not learned or a lifestyle choice.  Remember there have been gay and trans kids / people in all the history of the human existence. I grew up in a time and place where there were no books about gay kids, there were no movies with gay kids, there were no out gay people among anyone I knew.  Yet I was gay, I knew it in every part of me that I was attracted to boys growing up.  I felt it, I was experiencing it, but I had no understanding of what it was.  As I got near my teens, I thought I was the only one in the world that felt this way.  How great it would have been for me in school to have been able to see a movie with a gay boy and have it be accepted as normal.  How great it would have been to read stories of gay boys instead of straight boys and girls only all the time.  It is like if you were black and had to watch movies or read books with only white people in them.  And think how great it would have been had a teacher explained to me and my classmates what those feelings were, and that there was a world of good role models for people like me.   Think of the years of teenage bullying that could have been avoided or tempered if the schools / teachers had inclusion and acceptance programs.  These religious bigots want their kids to be able to shame and insult / bully LGBTQ+ kids without any push back or consequences.  These bigots have to learn to coexist with others.   They are not living in a bubble, in isolation.  They are like the Amish except they are not happy with themselves being allowed to ignore advances / changes in the world but they are demanding that everyone else do so also.  They are demanding that everyone live as they do and the world pretend that only they are real.     Hugs


A group of parents is suing the school board to allow them to opt their children out of LGBTQ+-inclusive lessons.

By John Russell Tuesday, July 25, 2023

Parents protest Montgomery County Public Schools no opt-out policy.

Parents protest Montgomery County Public Schools no opt-out policy.Photo: Screenshot/WUSA9

Parents are demanding that a Maryland school district allow them to opt their children out of its LGBTQ+-inclusive curriculum.

As Axios reported last month, in March, Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) in Rockville, Maryland, ended a policy allowing parents to opt their students out of the district’s pre-K–12 language arts curriculum, which had been updated to include books featuring LGBTQ+ characters.


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According to a district statement on its “Inclusive and Welcoming Learning” initiative, the LGBTQ+-inclusive materials are part of the district’s efforts to cultivate “an inclusive and welcoming learning environment” and “to create opportunities where all students see themselves and their families in curriculum materials.”

In a Frequently Asked Questions section of the statement, the district notes that there is no “explicit instruction on gender and sexual identity in elementary school as part of content instruction,” adding that the LGBTQ+-inclusive books “include a diversified representation of people.”

The decision to end the opt-out policy, which the district instituted last October, led to an outcry from religious groups and members of the community. Protesters began showing up at Montgomery County School Board meetings in late March.

In May, a group of Christian and Muslim families sued the Montgomery County school board and superintendent, arguing that not allowing them to opt out of the lessons violates their First Amendment rights.

“Our clients represent families from all across Montgomery County with diverse religious faiths,” Will Haun, senior counsel at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty which is representing the families, told KATV in May. “And while they have differences on those issues, they share one thing in common, which is the right of parents to direct their children’s religious upbringing and their education, especially when it comes to sensitive issues, like a person’s identity, their child’s own identity.”

According to WUSA9, the lawsuit points to a Maryland law that requires school systems to establish opt-out policies for students. But in its own court filing, MCPS said that the school administrators are allowed to deny opt-out requests if they become too burdensome.

“Individual schools could not accommodate the growing number of opt-out requests without causing significant disruptions to the classroom environment and undermining MCPS’s educational mission,” MCPS’s response read.

Last Thursday, both protesters and counter-protesters again descended on a Montgomery County School Board meeting. As WUSA9 reported, the protest against the no opt-out policy was led by Muslim parents, one of whom argued that religious children were being bullied and labeled as bigots by their peers.

“You say you want to protect the rights of trans children and their families while simultaneously you violate the rights of other children and their families,” Nadhira Rasheed said.

Rachel Hull, the parent of a non-binary child, was among the counter-protesters. “Much of the opt-out arguments are couched as parental rights and religious freedom,” she told WUSA9. “But what it boils down to is that the LGBT+ community is being told that their very existence is abnormal. And that their identity should be a source of shame.”

A short round up as I start a new post to catch the Friday to Sunday bunch.

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the Republican infrastructure plan !!

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WTF. These people are not coming to hurt anyone, they are not coming to destroy the US, but to share the dream of a wonderful country. Abbott is proving to be the destroyer and despicable person, as is anyone who would follow these orders. Hey think how we look at the guards at concentration camps, Texas will be thought of in the same way. Scottie
Drag performances in Ohio could be banned from public parks, parades and other places children might be if a bill introduced by House Republicans becomes law.
House Bill 245 expands the definition of adult cabaret performers from strippers and topless dancers to include “entertainers who exhibit a gender identity that is different from the performer’s or entertainer’s gender assigned at birth.”
Diversity or diversity and inclusion programs are just words for let others than white males have a seat at the table. Seriously, this is what the republicans and MG are fighting. Why would they want to block others than whites / at one time only white males, from having a chance to be included? Racism and misogyny.

Biden got a Target Letter, too!

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The pro-life party! Right! Tell me another one.

Bisexual trait in macaque monkeys common, heritable, and beneficial, says study. Link sent by Ali

https://cosmosmagazine.com/nature/macaque-monkeys-bisexual-benefits/

 

OK Education Chief: “We Want The Bible In Schools” From JMG

Remember the governor of Oklahoma is a fervent fundamentalist Christian who has claimed the entire state for Jesus / his Christian god including the Native Peoples lands.  He has used the office of Governor to push his religion on the entire state.  The backstory of this Oklahoma Education Superintendent, Ryan Walters, is crazy.  He is not qualified for the office except he is also a fervent fundamentalist Christian nationalist.  The governor tried to have him hold the two highest positions over education but was blocked by that funny thing called laws.   It is time to take seriously this sneak effort to get fundamentalist die hard Christian nationalists in to state office at all levels as they have taken over schools up to governors offices.   They are the US Christian Taliban and the Christian moral police.   They are going to force their religion on everyone, make everyone live by their church doctrines / religious views no matter what religion or lack of that people have.  Just look at their insistence on Christian prayers and the Christian bible in public schools.   They want to enshrine their church doctrines and religious convictions into state laws that everyone will be subject to and have to follow.  Hugs

“Instead of allowing Biden and the unions to inject their ideology through graphic pornography like ‘Gender Queer’ and “Flamer,’ we want the Constitution, we want the bible in our schools where kids understand our nation’s history and what has made this country great. The reality is that the bible is a foundational document in our country’s history. Read the Founders, read their letters, listen to what these men and women said about why founding a country with the freedom of religion, the free exercise of religion was so important.” – Oklahoma Education Superintendent Ryan Walters, today on Fox Business.

Last week Walters declared that the infamous 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre should not be taught as having been caused by racism. Over 300 black people were murdered by white mobs and 10,000 were left homeless.

Last month Walters appeared here when he announced that Oklahoma’s public schools will soon have a mandatory daily prayer, the mandatory posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms, and a mandatory high school course in “Western civilization.”

Walters, who was appointed state secretary of education by Christianist Gov. Kevin Stitt in 2020, faced calls to resign in 2022 after it was revealed that a Koch-funded group that advocates for privatizing public schools was paying him $120,000/year.

Stitt rejected calls for Walters’ resignation and attempted to reappoint him again earlier this year, but the state Senate refused to allow him to hold the elected superintendent and appointed secretary of education posts at the same time.

 

The founding fathers wanted Freedom of Religion specifically so that government couldn’t force a specific religion down people’s throats. (E.g., the state religion of England was Anglicanism, the King being the head of state and the Church). Wasn’t it these same type of evangelicals who warned that JFK was going to be a President ‘controlled by the Pope’?

I get so sick of these religious fanatics trying to cram their religion down everyone’s throat. This whole thing is BS! And it is totally unconstitutional! And no, the Bible was not one of our founding documents!

He reads too much David Barton.

 

“Instead of allowing Biden and the unions to inject their ideology through graphic pornography like ‘Gender Queer’ and “Flamer,’ we want the Constitution, we want the bible in our schools where kids understand our nation’s history and what has made this country great.

Ezekiel 23:20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

How about the passage where Ezekiel mentions dildos?

You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold
and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in
prostitution with them. — Ezekiel 16:17

And I really could go on and on about the Song of Songs, that is literally soft core porn.

What, exactly, does the 2000 year old book say about our 250 year old nation?

That was my thought. I don’t recall any mention of the United States.

For most American “Christians,” it’s a 400 year old book written at the behest of a flaming homosexual, James VI/I.

Here’s another one:

“You have captivated my heart, my sister, my bride; you have captivated my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace.” Song of Songs 4:9

Oh, that one is tame. How about the motorboating verse? “My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.” (1:13)

And the cunilingus verse: ““Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad. Let my lover come into his garden and taste its choice fruits.” (4:16)

And fisting: “My beloved put his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.” (5:4)

My gospel is found in Song of Songs 5:16 ~
“His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

The donkey’s verse is fun, but the context is so much more.

[Jerusalem] saw this, yet she was more corrupt than [Samaria] in her lusting and in her prostitutions, which were worse than those of her sister. She lusted after the Assyrians, governors and commanders, warriors clothed in full armor, mounted horsemen, all of them handsome young men. And I saw that she was defiled; they both took the same way. But she carried her prostitutions further; she saw male figures carved on the wall, images of the Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion, with belts around their waists, with flowing turbans on their heads, all of them looking like officers—a picture of Babylonians whose native land was Chaldea. When she saw them she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their lust, and after she defiled herself with them, she turned from them in disgust. When she carried on her prostitutions so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned from her sister. Yet she increased her prostitutions, remembering the days of her youth, when she prostituted herself in the land of Egypt and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of stallions. Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians fondled your bosom and caressed your young breasts. — Ezekiel 23:11-21
 

You can’t even get through the first chapter of that book without drunken incestuous impregnation. #Groomers

GENESIS 19

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father

There’s many holes in that first chapter, such as…

If God created Adam and Eve, and they had two sons…
Who did the son’s marry and procreate with?

I mean, we know about Eve’s temptation with a snake…
So what other animals did the boys get it on with?

 

The Holy Scriptures given an answer to what happened to Cain:

And the Lord put a mark on Cain, so that no one who came upon him would kill him. Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch, and he built a city and named it Enoch after his son Enoch. — Genesis 4:15b-17

So, clearly, Cain left the part of the world created by God, moved to another place NOT created by God, and found a wife in a city of people some other deity created.

Nod was the part that god overlooked while creating “the whole world” and “all the animals”. He just didn’t notice that it had rolled under the couch while he was busy watching Adam and Eve, pre-fig leaf.

 

Creationists and other Fundamentalists claim that Cain’s wife was his sister, leading to an incestuous marriage. Dumb Idiot Ham claims that back then it’s OK to commit incest during the days before the fabled Flood. Although, he claims it’s wrong to commit incest now, how many of you would like to bet that one way or another, Ham approves incest and is trying to hide it through his writings, videos, placards, etc?

If you ask me I prefer to believe that Cain took a wife from a foreign nation instead of his own family. This implies that Adam and Eve and their sons weren’t the only humans around.

 

But when was Nod created and populated? Genesis is VERY clear that Cain left the place from where God was and traveled to another land that was already populated. By his sister?

Ain’t it funny, how the “the Bible is literally correct and eternally true and must be believed and obeyed exactly as written” crowd have no problem making shit up to fit their own beliefs when the Bible clearly says something different.

If you had faith you wouldn’t need to challenge ‘god’s word’ is the standard response by christstains to that question.

Gawd is okay with that. At least there is no homo sex going on.

There was that three-way between Abram, Sarai, and Tamar, but that was mff, so it doesn’t count. 😉

And David and Jonathan were “just friends”.

Then there are the two competing versions of the creation myth, both of which are in the book so both are canonical despite their inconsistencies.

On the one hand, god makes animals first, then creates humans after. Eve is created as a partner for Adam..

On the other hand god creates Adam first, then in trying to create a partner suitable for him, creates all the animals before finally deciding on creating a second human. Wanton bestiality, I suppose…

 

Trans Rights: on their terms | The Serfs

This video shares a lot of information on the sex spectrum and the fact that sex determination is not binary.  It does it without being overly technical or preachy.  Hugs

While using the unpleasant drama (I started this script a few weeks ago) as a jumping off point I wanted to make a documentary about how liberation movements have to be one in which the oppressed people dictate the terms of their liberation.