Sen. Josh Hawley Goes Full Christian Nationalist

By my dogs that love gravy, we must stop this Christian attack on the secular state of our country.  This people are desperately misinformed yet have worked their way into power and money.   They want a minority Christian rule over the majority using moral police and a Christian Taliban.  This is a full out take over of the US by a driven religious group who are starting from the wrong premise and building a movement out of it.  We have already seen how they want to base our laws on medical care on their religion, even if they don’t know what their religion says about the subject.   I am talking about banning abortion, but also marriage, adoption, gender affirming care for trans people, and yes even what materials can be read by your students and what can be taught them.   Hugs.  Scottie  


January 13, 2024

Sen. Josh Hawley writes for First Things:

America as a Christian nation—that’s a heretical notion by today’s lights. We are a secular country, the experts have insisted—demanded—for decades. But that was never true. The Founders read Roman historians, yes. Some were influenced by Enlightenment philosophies.

But the Bible has been the main source of our national ideals. From the age of the New England Puritans to the Great Awakening that prepared the ground for revolution, Scripture has molded our common life from the first. Consider:

Our ideal of the individual has Christian roots. So too does our constitutionalism. Our great traditions of progressive reform were animated by an ardent Christian spirit—as was conservative resistance to their excesses. Even in our most bitter conflicts, Christian culture has been America’s common ground.

Read the full essay.

It goes on for several thousand words.

 

From the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams

“the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
 

I’m really starting to HATE christians. I’ve known very few who actually walk the walk, and you sure don’t need a religion to do the right thing. In fact religious people will do the WRONG thing because of their religion.

I avoid them completely. Conversation starters like ‘tell me about your relationship with Jesus’, or any phrase that includes ‘sharing the good news’ have me running for the hills. There are good christians out there, they just don’t announce it to everyone because they are too busy being good christians. Wish there were more of them.

 

Of all the bullshit lines I’ve got hit with, my fave was “What’s YOUR form of worship?” asked in a tone making it very obvious her assumption was that of course no one is without a form of worship.

it’s interesting — even Joe Scarbourough, brought up S. Baptist has been saying for awhile now how that church, and other evangelical ones coopted the abortion issue in the Carter presidency … and turned those churches into the political (.. i’ll call them “clubs” ) that they are —devoid of any real Christian meaning.

Yes, it was the 1973 Supreme Court decision on tax exemption of religious organizations (Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v Nyquist) that got all of this rolling. It has always been about money and power.

That’s b/c the republican establishment knew that their platform of tax cuts for millionaires/billionaires along with corporations was a losing strategy. They knew that by renewing the horrid “southern strategy” that nixon made use of while allowing evangelicals a voice in dictating social wedge issues (abortion, gay rights), republicans would remain popular amongst low-info as well as suburban voters.

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And make the churches pay for it!

It’s for its own protection, after all.

Minor quibble: That wall was built over 200 years ago.

Ya, and they’ve been trying to tear it down ever since!

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I’m just going to post this. Someone might have done this before me but just in case…..

Like their elections, if they don’t get the desired result they get so over. Because only 4 of the founding fathers clearly pointed out that there should be a separation of church and state ,They have taken it upon themselves to say “ not a majority “ so we will force our agenda

[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

James Madison

James Madison (1836). “The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution: As Recommended by the General Convention at Philadelphia in 1787. Together with the Journal of the Federal Convention, Luther Martin’s Letter, Yates’s Minutes, Congressional Opinions, Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of ’98-’99, and Other Illustrations of the Constitution”, p.204

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson (1829). “Reports of Cases Determined in the General Court of Virginia: From 1730, to 1740; and from 1768, to 1772”, p.140

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion. John Adams

Article 1 of the Treat of Tripoli.

If you want to see what a “Christian America” that Josh Hawley talks about looks like, look no further than Mississippi, where Evangelical Christianity is thoroughly infused in it’s government. It been that way for a long time. As I mentioned below, it’s also dead last or near dead last in every economic and social measurement, including high poverty, poor education, terrible health care outcomes, infant mortality, low wages… you name it. Josh Hawley and his fellow Christianists want to replicate Mississippi all over America.

 

Missouri, which Hawley represents, isn’t much better.

Yes. It is unclear to me how the state districts are gerrymandered, but I am sure that they must be. MO never seems to have any competitive state-wide offices, though. This is a big change from past decades.

Those people from red counties are happy enough to come to the blue big city hospitals for their medical care.

Tate Reeves doesn’t want to accept federal funding to feed free lunch-eligible children a lunch during summer break. Super Christian – let them go hungry. That’s Mississippi.

my response to his X: “Dear Josh — read the US Constitution, read Geo Washington’s Letter to the Touro Synagogue, and read the Treaty of Tripoli (circa 1802)

you are Wrong, you are a coward, and you are the worst sort of traitor to the United States of America …’

A truly Christian economy is void of money and not made it the sole motivation of one’s existence. Greed is a sin. A good job is helping the poor and welcoming those in need to one’s home to house and feed without the intention of enslaving them for the free labor.
What kind of fucking Christian is he?

A true Christian economy would not charge interest, for starters.

And there would be jubilee every few years to forgive debt.
How many Rethugs are loath to forgive their children’s education debt?
How many of them work hard to give bankers the upper hand in all negotiations.

“Christian” is a meaningless label. People hide behind it for causes both noble and vile.

 

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