Six months after October 7, some hostage families embracing anti-government protests
No longer willing to keep their anger in check, a group of relatives of those held captive by terrorists in Gaza are speaking out against the prime minister and his cabinet
Read in The Times of Israel: https://apple.news/AHAVKf3WqRy-1RaspHVB77A
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Netanyahu’s fall is most likely to come from within through a coalition of disaffected groups. His future was doubtful before October. Hamas did him something of a mixed favour. Although it was probably only buying him time.
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Hi Roger. I agree. I long thought Netanyahu and his far right religious cohorts let the attack happen as an excuse to go into Gaza and wipe out as many Palestinians as possible before they were stopped. They got lucky with Biden, he let them get far further than other presidents would have, except tRump. He almost finished the job they intended. But now he is still trying to call the shots on how everything will be going forward. But what he wants is the very definition of genocide.
Let’s dispel one myth that Palestinians are not prisoners. They have been living in an open air prison. When every aspect of life is dictated by an outside force, they are prisoners. The Israelis control the water and electric, often rationing each to causes as much hard ship as possible. Now Israel announced that they will allow only 22 bakeries to open in northern Gaza and that they will only allow 60,000 out of the over 1.2 million they forced off the land to return. They also say they plan to take a large chunk of the Gaza land for their own use, which I believe was the entire reason for the actions of the genocide of the Palestinians to begin with. They have done it in the past and got away with it, what three times, maybe more now. And the world would have stopped them long ago if the US had not blocked them.
About Netanyahu and his keeping the position he holds. He needs a constant war and turmoil to hold the job. That was why he ordered the attack on the Iranian embassy. He wanted the Iranians to respond with an attack on Israel which would have given world support back to Israel. Iran fooled him, they did not just attack. The US begged them not to and as long as Iran has doesn’t hit US targets, the US has promised to stay out of it. Israel picked the fight and the US is willing to let Israel suffer the consequences for it. That is a huge change and aught to really get the leaders of Israel to think hard.
Sorry this got so long, my feelings on Israel and their actions are intense and angry. Hugs. Scottie.
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Sorry long response here. Once I start on political / social history……
What you write has great credibility Scottie and there are those within Israel who would tell you in all bloody sincerity this is the only way to deal with the situation. From a Realpolitik situation where a government is also aware of a world stage the Israeli response has been a complete disaster, allowing folk to vent their ingrained anti-Semitic prejudices on innocent jews.
And here is the very grim, bloody lesson, right out of history; the long ragged history because when you go seeking causes you unearth unpalatable factors, and although Israel is not the only one, it is one of the larger examples; like Russia.
I’ll explain.
From 70 CE following a rebellion Roman brought heavy retribution of the Jewish folk and they were scattered out of their land to live in many exiles. For about a thousand years based on ignorance and wilful malice encouraged by sections of the Christian Churches Jews were at best viewed with latent hostility and hypocrisy and worst subject to episodic mass killings either through mob violence or government policy. So endemic became this isolation of the Jewish populations ‘you / us /I’ grew up feeling there was something ‘different about them’. Casual harmless phrases like ‘Oh he’s a Jew. Nice guy though,’. Then we had the Nazis. Which would be the tipping point.
Within the Jewish culture there was ever a yearning to return to the home land:
L’Shana Haba’ah – Wikipedia
The movement had been growing as a political one to be used by France and mostly Britain in the complex Empire politics. Naturally local Muslim Palestinians long settled would have issues with lands being appropriated. And resultant there was troubled building up for 40 years prior to WWII.
Post WWII a large population of European Jews, sacred, scared, Bitter, hostile to the world in general were intent of getting back ‘their’ land and keeping in. Woe betide anyone who got in the way. Naturally the Palestinians didn’t see it that way, nor did Arab states recently independent from European sway. War broke out, wars broke out. For a while Israel was The Western Good Guy, then movements born out of a complex mix of anti-establishment, quasi-revolutionary, anti-American began to sympathise with Palestinians. That kicked off the Israeli Jewish anti-Semitic alarms. What had been a long tough low key war with the original resistance with Fedayeen began to rachet up, causing the ring-wing Jewish fundamentalists to gain hold. The mentality of no more pogroms, no more holocausts started to awaken. One thousand years of persecution, hostility and slaughter was breeding another nightmare. The Jewish state was embracing the latent danger It was becoming the thing it hated. Even to the extent of pushing Palestinians into effective ghettos.
And here is the bitter truth no European or most Americans care to think about We taught the Jews how to act. We made it clear it’s ok to give vent to your nightmare side. It’s all about survival. And the Israeli right play on that daily. Particularly when they point out that there were no mass protests over other outrages around the world.
Israel is our wilful, violent child on the block, on the street where other wilful violent children live, be they claiming to protect Islam, be they drug dealing south American warlords, be they wild-minded fascists with a Hitler God-Complex, be they Russians with long memories of their own. We played our part, and now they are loose. Israel currently being the most loud and extreme (Russia running a close second).
Israel runs the risk of destroying itself, its support chain is slender, its populations not united. The downfall would be very bloody, so would the fighting over the spoils.
It’s not politics, it’s not religion. It’s Humanity’s weakness and propensity for violence that’s the issue.
Sorry I went on longer. You know what Scottie, I am weary, so damn weary of seeing the flaws and the causes writ large, playing out over and over and over again. Different locations, different actors, same script.
Take care you guys, Scottie & Ron,
Roger & Sheila.
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Hi Roger. Thank you for the information. Please never worry about getting long winded. What you write is engaging and informative, so well worth the read time.
I understand what you’re saying, I believe. Like you I am tired of hate against others, the desire of some to force their will on others instead of just accepting the right to live as you wish. I am so sick of bitterness, gang like mob mentality rather than people thinking things out themselves. I am desperate for people willing to work together to get along, to be civil, to agree to disagree peacefully, to disagree without anger and being disagreeable.
Life for humans is short, and can be hard. Why somewhat to make it harder and remove the joys from it, I do not understand. I see such wonder in diversity, look at the animal kingdom with such brilliant colors and shapes of all types. Anyway, we have to deal with our lower natures, and some have not learned to grow out of them. Some who got older and larger, never grew up. Hugs. Scottie
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Oh Scottie you could loose track on become very depressed trying to compile a list of what are termed genocides, adding civilian deaths through wars, reprisal killings, mass communal violence, deaths through prejudice and on and on. By the time you’d finish you’d be thinking ‘Well at least conventional war on a battlefield is honest and upfront,’
Where and how to start to put a stop to this frustrates me, because I keep coming up with ‘knocking heads together’ solutions which kind of defeats the whole purpose.
rawgod gave me a challenge to write out a story where in 2643 Humanity finally quit this violence ‘kick’….. I had to write it from a sci-fi perspective it was my only way.
My problem is, as long as I can think back I’ve always hated prejudice and violence that goes with it, which in turns causes my own violent solutions, try as I might that idea still bubbles up. And actually that is something of a sin in true Christian terms.
You, like rawgod, Jill and Keith are so right we should learn, force ourselves to work together. These constant wars which pit communities against each other only leave a legacy of bitterness for another generation to feed off.
Take an extreme example of WWII. When the fighting had ceased some nations who had engaged in Total War just put down the guns and said ‘OK. That’s over. Some will have to pay for starting it, but as for the rest. OK.’ UK & USA did that with Italy, Germany and Japan and the populations of those nations did likewise; though it took some time.
Even with the USA and Vietnam, the veterans would meet up. Americans went back to help with projects, just to try and make sense of it all. It’s still a tight state run by a ‘communist’ government but is not what would call a North Korea. Hip-hop for instance is alive and vibrant (though I am sure the artists are careful with the lyrics)
When its communities; not so much, the hate is passed on down. The massacres are shared out. Even if the violence stops the hate simmers ready to break loose. Maybe not on issues across the board, but perhaps on certain sensitive points.
I’m tip-toeing around here a bit, lest I mention one example which triggers someone reading this.
I keep on hoping, when the evidence seems to be the opposite. I keep thinking of folk who wish for peace and have generous hearts, those who work for peace who try to reach out. I try and stifle my own little demons.
You are so right we should not be squandering our life span, in this useless Hate.
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Hi Roger. Everything you wrote I understood, agree with, and feel the same way. It is strange but at the very time I am reading your comment I am listening to Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube talk about the growing threat of regional conflict between Israel and Iran. I hope you will give it a listen when you have a chance and let me know if you agree. Hugs. Scottie
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Hi Scottie.
Time differences played a big part here. So when Beau was sending this it was about 10.00pm-10.30pm in the UK. Most of the UK therefore woke up to this news.
What we have learnt was that US, UK and possible French air forces were involved in shooting down drones. Beau was on the button here, because those governments would not want drones hitting Israeli targets with loss of life as that would have made things so much worse.
The current struggle now, as Beau was talking about is trying the rein Israel in and just saying effectively ‘Huh!’ and no more.
It seems as if Iran was playing that sort of game by signalling or telegraphing this sort of move, as their missiles / drones were basically slow moving giving time for the response.
That said Iran and Israel have been locking horns and snapping and snarling at each other since the Iranian Islamic Revolution back in 1979 (Don’t forget Israel’s airstrike on an Iranian nuclear facility back in the 1980s).
As Beau pointed out this attack came from Iranian turf, in response to an Israeli attack on their diplomatic turf. And neither side are plugged into the sort of cold-calculations and gesture politics that the USA and USSR indulged in during the Cold War era.
Currently we have to hope that the Western leaders can effectively grab Israel by the diplomatic scruff of the neck and reduce them to shouting and waving fists.
That said for once Religion does play a big part here and both sides have influential folk who have no problems with apocalypses as part of their twisted readings of their respective holy works.
We sit and we hope.
Take care you guys.
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