(The arc bends toward justice, though slowly.)
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/
J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newl crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.
Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris public prosecutor’s office on Friday.
The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons. That “ensure[s] that the ‘prosecution has all the latitude to be able to investigate against all people,” including those who may have written hateful messages under pseudonyms, said Boudi. The complaint nevertheless mentions famously controversial figures. (snip)
Boudi said that although the complaint mentions names, “What we’re asking is that the prosecution investigates not only these people but whoever it feels necessary. If the case goes to court, they will stand trial.”
Boudi also claimed that while the lawsuit was filed in France, “it could target personalities overseas,” pointing out that “the prosecutor’s office for combating online hate speech has the possibility to make requests for mutual legal assistance with other countries.” He added that there were agreements with the U.S. equivalent of the French office for combating online hate speech. (snip-More)
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Hi, Janet. Just saw your comment. Maybe you could help me with this issue? Please?
If you’d rather not, please just ignore me. I was thinking you’d have looked into the issue pretty thoroughly, but it isn’t your job to educate me nor even point me at literature where i could start learning more.
When I looked it was a short search (gotta get ready for work) and the bit I found said there was chromosome testing. But Rowling seems to mostly object to the boxing violence, which seems a bit hypocritical since boxing is literally people hitting each other, but she saw it as a man hitting a woman (again, boxing! Sheesh, Rowling, watch a different sport!)
Still, it seems to me that many questionable statements she’d made have been amplified and distorted. I hate trying to figure out this issue – I’m old and sort of stiff in my thinking, too, which doesn’t help me a bit.
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I went into the google-verse and the twitter-verse to try and figure out what is going on here. I didn’t bother with Musk (yet), he’s shown himself to be ,,, well, Musk.
But I am on the fence on Rowling. Most of her posts on trans issues, seem to be responses to people saying stuff like “I’m a trans woman and I want to rape you with my dick for saying mean things about me” (literally found that one, troll? real trans claimant? Who knows?).
I get that she’ll post items that put her in a better light. I would, too. But even her most incendiary posts that I’ve seen so far amount to arguments about women’s shelters, where the argument starts with “women go to these shelters to get away from men because they’ve been traumatized” vs. “trans women need these shelters, too, sometimes” and goes from there. I must say that trans women posting that Rowling should be raped to death for her opinion on this matter isn’t doing the trans community any favors. But those are the comments that I’m seeing amplified.
Can you help me out on this? I just don’t know where to go to get a bit of nuance.
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Sure. The “chromosome” issue is, at best, a red herring. Ms. Khaleif has not identified herself as intersex. She was born a woman, raised a woman, and IOC said she’s a woman based on their rules. The fact is, the chromosome thing came from a boxing association controlled by Russia after she defeated a Russian boxer in 2022.
That agency was expelled from the international boxing authority before the Olympics.
Ms. Khaleif is not trans, has never identified as trans. In Algeria, being trans is a death penalty crime. Musk, JKR, the various TERFs, all put her life in danger.
Is that enough? Seriously, I’m asking honestly. No sarcasm.
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As for the “threats” of rape of JKR by trans women? Trans women are no danger to her, or any other woman. Those are 99.99% certain to be trolls. Like Ali, I’d suggest that it’s her own TERF army doing that through sock puppets to make her seem more relevant, and their hatred less … I don’t want to be ableist, so I won’t call them insane. Outrageous? How’s that for an appropriate adjective?
As a matter of fact, many of us, even if we still have a penis, are no longer capable of vaginal intercourse at all. One of the more common side effects of gender affirming HRT is the near complete loss of libido. Not to mention the very common shrinkage of the genitalia. No, I’m not going to tell you about mine. That’s private, between me and my doctors.
Like Ali already mentioned, actual trans women are far more likely to face danger in women’s spaces. And that same danger often extends to gender non-conforming cis women, like Imane Khalief. Butch lesbians, tall women, muscular women, all face accusations of being trans in women’s spaces. And they are often assaulted because of those erroneous accusations.
Patriarchy is at the root of anti-trans bigotry. And it’s directed so strongly at trans women because we dared to surrender “male privilege” in order to become “lesser”, which is how patriarchy sees all women.
And yes, Ali is right about the TERFs too. They were almost certainly hurt, deeply, by one or more men at some point in their lives. Now they cannot see beyond their very deep pain, and can only relieve it by inflicting pain on someone else. We are a very small minority, which makes us an easy target. Abuse is cyclical. The abused become the abusers. If it weren’t for the harm the TERFs do to my siblings, I would almost feel sorry for them. They must suffer truly deeply to need to lash out like they do.
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Wow. I’m humbled. I figure I have as much of some -ism or another as many people do, in regard to this. I know I tend to be intolerant of people who are intolerant. I am aware that makes me one of them. But I’m glad I got some correct. Even though I interrupted, for which I ask pardon of both of you, MDavis and Janet.
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No pardon necessary. You added value to the conversation, and your comment helped me to formulate part of my responses. I appreciate you input, whether you were named at first or not. Blessed be.
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And blessings to you, too, Janet!
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Agreed, Janet. Ali is a thoughtful person and I do value her input. I started to regret asking you by name, but I ended up posting anyway and hoping for the best. Thanks for your generous response.
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You are quite welcome.
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I won’t accept your apology, but because you have nothing to apologize to me about.
I hope that came out right. That’s the sort of comment that could backfire. But I mean it.
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Oh, yeah.
I bought the ‘men pretending to be trans in order to manipulate’ stories because some men are that nasty. Sad to say, it didn’t occur to me that that it could go a step further, to ‘women pretending to be men pretending to be trans in order to manipulate (in another way)’.
Another patriarchy example in this vein – a co-worker (retail) told me that she and another woman working at a different site were verbally accosted by a customer telling them “you’re trans!” and trash talking them. Why did he do this? She asked him. The weren’t tall, they weren’t muscular, they were wearing pants.
A manager asked the customer to leave and not come back for harassing the workers. At least there is some support in some locations.
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It’s a start. Not that I’m asking you for more at this time, but it is a place to start of my attempts to research. It tells me (reminds me) that I need to consider my sources when I’m looking at issues. I’m notoriously easy to trick initially, but I tend to dig in to facts if I can find them. For example – I didn’t see anything on the bit about Russia being involved previously and had no idea about Algeria. The impression I had was that all the discussion was regarding this year’s Olympics. I haven’t been watching the Olympics at all. It only comes to my attention when something remarkable hits the media.
Thank you very much for responding.
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Here’s a good overview of what happened with Imane Khelif at the Olympics, by the IOC and the Paris Boxing Unit.
Joint Paris 2024 Boxing Unit/IOC Statement
And here’s more on the Russian aspect:
The Olympic gender row was never about Imane Khelif
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Thank you, again.
I’ve saved these links for reading later.
I’m off to continue to not watch the Olympics. And stuff.
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Oh, crud. I neglected to say “yes, that’s enough”, although, if it is all right with you, I might come back with more questions.
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Yes, more questions are okay. Blessings.
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And all blessings to you.
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I’m not sure where to point you. I’m in the same boat, seeing her commentary mostly in the mainstream or in my bubble, and no longer being on X to see what she writes, so possibly more recently am seeing her things out of context (though this boxing business is just mean.)
I’ve mentioned here before that some women have a longer or steeper learning curve because of their extreme anger at/fear of/contempt for men who’ve victimized women, so that they cannot see that someone who is built as a man is anything but a man, who will eventually harm one or more women.
I do know that actual trans women are neither going to rape other women, nor threaten to; their lives are in as much general danger as the rest of we women, plus they have the trans thing, which tends to make troll-men feel they’re all right to brutalize them because they (may) have penises. Regular trolls may make those threats, but my guess is it’s other TERFs who make those threats to Rowling, just making sure everyone knows how dangerous trans women are to those who don’t believe they are women. I don’t get it; it seems like a lot of anger and work for little actual satisfaction, but some people are just mean. Sort of like burning crosses in people’s yards.
Anyway, I’ve seen JK Rowling’s commentary, over time, and it continues: JK Rowling makes commentary about other women unasked and unbidden when she didn’t have to start or get into the conversation. Her commentary has struck me much as the commentary of people like Phyllis Schlafly, et al.
I pay attention when I see Ms. Rowling’s spoken, because she used to be one of my favorite new authors, and we still have her HP books. I’ve watched those books change the outlooks and probably save the lives of so many kiddoes in foster care, and in abusive families, I’m never going to tell someone to not read JK Rowling’s books.
However, I’ve seen that the older and more secure in life she’s gotten, the meaner she’s gotten, and she takes a lot of it out on trans people, especially trans women. If it was simply her, well. But people look to her as someone with some knowledge and experience, and she does harm when she comments as she does about some people in society. Sort of the opposite of how her HP books affect kiddoes in bad situations in real life.
I don’t know if all those words answer anything, MDavis. I don’t have any proof, per se; I haven’t been on Twitter since the guy before Musk OK’d Nazis, so I no longer see as much of Rowling’s stuff until it comes out on AP or somewhere. But maybe it’ll help. I hate it that she has to be so mean, and keep hoping she’s going to finally see that all women need to stand united.
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Oops. I believe I inserted myself into a conversation that wasn’t mine. I was using the bell again; I saw the one to Janet and left it, but thought this comment was to the article. As Emily Litella says, “Never mind!”
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Ali, I appreciate your comment. Halfway through the other comment I realized that I maybe shouldn’t have singled her for suggestions. I am glad to have your input. I think I’ll bookmark this post and read it all again, as I’ve been very impressed with the HP books (I think the first one won a Newberry Award. I read the whole thing in one day, thought about it, and then read the whole thing to my hubby. She seriously needed an editor for some of the later books in the series, though. Instead I believe she was rushed by WP to get the next books out so they could do the movie… NV)
I didn’t intend to exclude comments from other people, I just assumed that Janet would have a much better grasp on the situation than I do, in self defense. I’m off to read her comments now.
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