Florida’s Republican House Reps Trash Matt Gaetz

 

Politico reports:

Florida’s congressional Republicans are done with Matt Gaetz. They left the House chamber last night furious after Gaetz led seven other GOP members — and Democrats — to eject former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) from his leadership post.

They called Gaetz divisive. Disrespectful. Selfish. No other Florida Republican voted to oust McCarthy. Florida’s GOP delegation see Gaetz as carrying out a personal vendetta, accusing him of an overzealous bid for attention and of trying to position himself to become the state’s future governor.

“Gaetz has very few friends in the conference,” Rep. Carlos Gimenez said. “Gaetz maybe has a couple of friends in the delegation. But I’m not one of them. He’s about clicks,” Gimenez said. “He’s about how many cameras he can get shoved in his face and he’s a historical figure because he caused for the first time in history and all that. I think he gets off on that.”

Read the full article.

We saw and heard the same things about Ted Cruz. How much everyone hates him….but like Ted this is what the Republican voters want.

Haven’t Ted’s elections been getting tighter?

Notice, too, that they are criticizing Gaetz for doing the same stuff they praise from Trump…!??!

Florida’s GOP delegation see Gaetz as carrying out a personal vendetta, accusing him of an overzealous bid for attention and of trying to position himself to become the state’s future governor.
 

Exactly! They may not like him but he’s one of them so they’ll not do anything to punish or expel him.

…Gaetz led seven other GOP members — and Democrats — to eject former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy

God, I hate sloppy reporting. Gaetz did not lead Democrats to do anything. Democrats voted to eject Kev because after they saved his ass on Saturday by supporting his bill to prevent the GOP shutdown, he blamed them for the shutdown in Sunday interviews.

yes — if the D’s tried to get rid of Pelosi — why the R’s would have rushed to yell AYE before the clerk called their name .

In addition, it is the responsibility of the party in power to select their leader, speaker, whatever. Played more than a few years of sports ball (rugby). I never participated in the selection of the captain for the opposing team. SMH. McCarthy was not entitled to a vote from any democrats.

They called Gaetz divisive. Disrespectful. Selfish.

 

Um, I thought that’s why Floridians elected him.

It’s the fucking panhandle

He had a very credible primary challenger in 2022: Mark Lombardo, a Marine combat veteran and former FedEx executive.

Lombardo was a self-identified conservative who called out Gaetz for basically being a sex-trafficking drama queen. Still, Gaetz got 70% in the primary. His constituents love that he’s as asshole.

“The people of Northwest Florida need a Congressman who will put them first,” Lombardo said in a released statement.

“Matt Gaetz is a professional politician who has dishonored his constituents with unnecessary drama, childish gimmicks, and is reportedly entangled in a federal investigation for sex-trafficking a 17-year-old girl to the Bahamas. Displaying the highest level of arrogance imaginable, he hired pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s attorneys and used the money from his hardworking America First donors to pay the bill. His actions are disgraceful and do not reflect or represent the conservative values of Northwest Florida.”
 

“Gaetz: I’m gonna oust McCarthy for working with the Dems!

Also Gaetz: votes yes with the Dems to oust McCarthy.”

When Florida Republicans think you’re a scumbag, you really can’t get much lower than that.

i have the sense that we may be seeing a re-opening and acceleration of his past trafficking scandal.

Isn’t the House Ethics Committee already doing that?

Gaetz is a tRump wannabe. He seeks attention all the time. I call him an attention whore.

That’s the way to become governor — piss off everyone ..

(well, DeSantis seems to have done well with that, too)

 

‘He’s about clicks’: Florida Republicans furious at Gaetz

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/04/florida-republicans-matt-gaetz-furious-00119865

It is clear that Gaetz has ambitions for higher office.   He has already hinted that he will run for Florida governor.   So everything he is doing will set him up for that.  But Florida Governor is term limited, so what then.  Well historically governors have the best shot for president.  Sometimes senators will win election, but it is rare.  And I can not find in searches that representatives ever have.  So Representatives have only two choices to advance, run for the Senate or run for governor.  Gaetz has made his calculations and decision.  tRump has already shown being a divisive disruption with extreme hate / bigotry positions was a way for republicans to get votes from the lowest of the lowlifes of the Republican Party.  There are videos at the link I can not get to work on the post.   Hugs.

They called him divisive and an attention-seeker.

Rep. Matt Gaetz pointing while speaking with reporters outside the U.S. Capitol.
 

MIAMI — Florida’s congressional Republicans are done with Matt Gaetz.

They left the House chamber last night furious after Gaetz led seven other GOP members — and Democrats — to eject former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) from his leadership post.

They called Gaetz divisive. Disrespectful. Selfish. No other Florida Republican voted to oust McCarthy.

 

Florida’s GOP delegation see Gaetz as carrying out a personal vendetta, accusing him of an overzealous bid for attention and of trying to position himself to become the state’s future governor.

“Gaetz has very few friends in the conference,” Rep. Carlos Gimenez said. “Gaetz maybe has a couple of friends in the delegation. But I’m not one of them.”

As a sign of how unpopular Gaetz’ move to unseat McCarthy was, hours before yesterday’s vote, the GOP conference blocked microphones on the Republican side of the chamber, forcing Gaetz to debate from the Democratic side. But Gaetz was never known as a people-pleaser. The son of a prominent and wealthy former Florida Senate leader, Gaetz made headlines as a young Florida House member when he defended the state’s “stand your ground” law in 2013. He was first elected to the U.S. House in 2016 and, among other things, survived a federal sex trafficking probe.

 

McCarthy told his conference last night that he won’t be seeking the speakership again. Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) has become the interim speaker. Gaetz left that meeting toward the beginning while other Florida members exited it later with somber, defeated faces.

“You got to go one first down at a time,” Rep. Brian Mast said. “Matt Gaetz wasn’t happy with anything less than a Hail Mary 99 yard pass to the endzone.”

Members who are usually chatty had few words to say. Others looked visibly upset and appeared to be holding back tears.

Yet representatives from Florida said Gaetz probably won’t face expulsion from the chamber, even though some lawmakers on the Hill have already started talking about it.

They did, however, seethe over Gaetz fundraising off of removing McCarthy from his perch — many calling it “disgusting” and “inappropriate.” Only Rep. Cory Mills came to Gaetz’s defense, saying that he would need “monetary capital” to defend himself against “a lot of swampy people in D.C.”

Republicans further lamented that lawmakers weren’t closer to their goals of cutting the deficit and improving border security.

“It’s absolute horse s— that we’re jumping on a plane when our work isn’t done,” Rep. Kat Cammack said, referring to lawmakers returning to their home districts. The House will adjourn until Tuesday.

Rep. Michael Waltz, who is also eyeing a 2026 gubernatorial bid, said that he agreed with Gaetz’s frustrations but not his tactics. “At the end of the day, we’re doing this, we’re not passing appropriations bills,” he said. “We’re not dealing with the border. We’re not dealing with inflation.”

Gaetz remained defiant and described his colleagues’ criticisms as part of the “stages of grief.”

“It’s to the benefit of this country that we have a better speaker of the House than Kevin McCarthy,” he said. “Kevin McCarthy couldn’t keep his word.”

Christian Ziegler, chair of the Republican Party of Florida, perhaps summed it up best on X: “Some supported it and others opposed it, but no one can deny that FLORIDA — once again — is at the center of the political universe.”

Gun deaths among US kids continue to rise; Southern states have worst rates

https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/09/gun-deaths-among-us-children-reached-new-record-high-in-2021-study-finds/

Guns remain the leading cause of death among American children and teens.

Students from Launch Charter School gather for a rally for National Gun Violence Awareness Day at Restoration Plaza on June 2, 2023, in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn borough in New York City.
Enlarge / Students from Launch Charter School gather for a rally for National Gun Violence Awareness Day at Restoration Plaza on June 2, 2023, in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn borough in New York City.

As the COVID-19 pandemic took hold in 2020, so did another grim reality: For the first time, guns became the leading cause of death for American children and teenagers, surpassing car accidents, the long-standing leader.

In 2021, youth firearm death rates did not fall to pre-pandemic levels as hoped, but instead continued a sharp rise to hit a new record high. That’s according to a recent study led by researchers in New York and published in the journal Pediatrics. The study was based on national mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Nationwide, there were 4,752 firearm deaths of American children and teens (ages 0 to 19) in 2021, translating to a rate of 5.8 gun deaths per 100,000 people. The deaths represent a nearly 9 percent increase from 2020 (4,368 or 5.4 deaths per 100,000).

The study looked for disparities and trends in the data. As before, firearm deaths were largely in older teens, with 83 percent of deaths in teens ages 15 to 19. Most were among males, who accounted for 85 percent of the deaths. Black children remained disproportionately affected, with the gap widening—50 percent of the deaths were among Black children. The death rate among Black children and teens increased from 16.6 per 100,000 in 2020 to 18.9 per 100,000, the largest increase among the racial categories.

As for intent, 64 percent of the 2021 firearm deaths were from homicides and 30 percent were from suicides, with the remainder from unintentional shootings. Homicide rates increased across all age groups, which was part of a multi-year trend. Between 2018 and 2021, homicides increased 66 percent in the 0–4 and 5–9 age groups. For kids ages 10–14, homicides increased 100 percent and 62 percent in teens 15–19.

The racial disparity in homicides was stark, with the rate of deaths among Black children being 11 times higher than that of white children. For suicides, white children accounted for 78 percent of the deaths.

Regarding where children and teens had the highest rates of firearm deaths, the study found that places where baseline death rates were already high got worse—namely in the South.

Pediatric firearm mortality rate by state and year from 2018 to 2021. States with absolute mortalities <20 are grayed out because of unreliable crude death rates (these include Arkansas, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and District of Columbia).
Enlarge / Pediatric firearm mortality rate by state and year from 2018 to 2021. States with absolute mortalities <20 are grayed out because of unreliable crude death rates (these include Arkansas, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and District of Columbia).

“In 2021, firearm mortalities were largely concentrated in Southern states,” the authors wrote. “Louisiana had the highest death rate per 100,000 persons (17.0), followed by Mississippi (14.8), Alabama (11.4), Montana (11.1), and South Carolina (10.2).”

The authors speculated that this could be due to “variability in social determinants of health, inequity, firearm access, legislation, and access to preventative strategies (violence intervention, suicide prevention, firearm safety).” State poverty levels were also tightly linked with pediatric firearm death rates, the study found.

In all, the authors called for more data to understand the deadly trend and develop prevention strategies.

“These findings highlight the necessity and urgency of real-time epidemiologic surveillance of this epidemic and implementation of evidence-informed strategies to prevent pediatric firearm fatalities among children and adolescents at highest risk,” the authors wrote.

The TRUTH About Voting w/ Destiny, Emma Vigeland, and Ryan Grim

Some People Need To CALM DOWN

Our 10-point scale will help you rate the biggest misinformation purveyors

https://arstechnica.com/staff/2023/09/our-new-ladapo-scale-rates-misinformation-merchants/

I got this like from a blog that Ali introduced me to.  She left the comment with the link and I checked it out.   I like the content so I decided to follow the blog.  Yes it stretches my time a bit more but also broadens my knowledge level.   The blog can be found here.    Hugs.

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A convenient rating system to evaluate the threat posed by misinformation sources.

Our new Ladapo scale rates misinformation merchants
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The world has been flooded with misinformation. Falsehoods and conspiracy theories bubble up on everything from the weather to vaccines to the shape of the Earth. Purveyors of this garbage may be motivated by attention, money, or simply the appeal of sticking it to the educated elite. For people who try to keep both feet planted in the real world, it’s enough to make you want to scream. Even if you spend 24 hours a day pushing back against the wrongness on the Internet, it seems impossible to make a dent in it.

I’ve been pondering this, and I’ve decided that we need a way to target the worst sources of misinformation—a way to identify the people who are both the most wrong and the most dangerous. So, as a bit of a thought experiment, I started playing with a simplified scoring system for misinformation merchants.

I’m calling it the 10-point Ladapo scale in honor of the surgeon general of Florida, for reasons I hope are obvious. Any person can be given a score of zero or one (fractions are discouraged) for each of the following questions; scores are then totaled to provide a composite picture of just how bad any source is. To help you understand how to use it, we’ll go through the questions and provide a sense of how each should be scored. We’ll then apply the Ladapo scale to a couple of real-world examples.

Is the person spreading misinformation where anyone will see it? A zero score here, representing a completely harmless individual, might be the person who keeps ranting to bots in an IRC channel that the last human left in 2012. Anybody who gives a press conference that the national media attends earns a one, as do people who find their place as talking heads or on the op-ed pages of The New York Times.

Does anyone care about the topic of the misinformation? If your conspiracy du jour somehow links the color of orange used on traffic cones to the sale of balsa wood model aircraft, congratulations, you pose no threat and rate a zero. If it involves who won the presidential election, you’re looking at a one here.

Is the subject easy to understand? Misunderstanding quantum chromodynamics, a subject many physicists fear, is not at all surprising. Getting things wrong about evolution, which is simple enough that textbooks explain its basics to pre-teens, is far less excusable and would thus get a one.

Is accurate information easy to find? Self-correction is only a possibility if the correct information is available. One can kind of understand holding false beliefs about a top-secret military technology. But when any search engine will pull up a dozen accurate FAQs on the topic you’re misinforming people about, you have earned your one.

Just how badly wrong is the argument? It continues to astonish me that there are people who apparently believe the greenhouse effect doesn’t exist. That level of detachment from reality should set the high end of the scale for wrongness. To get a zero (which is good here!), I’d allow even being mostly right but wrong about some details.

Is the misinformer promoting fake experts? Nobody can be an expert in everything, so we all find ourselves deferring to the expertise of others on some complicated topics. That makes assessing a source’s credibility critical. Unless you can tell an expert from a crackpot, you’re likely to find yourself relying on a climate “expert” who can’t reason scientifically. Like one who thinks dowsing works or one who happens to be a creationist or a former coal lobbyist. If so, you’ll have earned a point for relying on unreliable expertise—and increasing the reach of other serial misinformers.

Will people be harmed by the confusion created? If it turns out we’re living in a false quantum vacuum, everyone will die when the Universe finds a new ground state, and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. Misinforming people about the topic would have no influence on their ultimate fate, so you could lie to your heart’s content here and still earn a zero. That is very much not the case when it comes to issues like climate change or the pandemic. Putting people in danger earns you a one.

Should the individual know better? Anyone who is actually in the field they’re misinforming about, like Ladapo himself, obviously earns a one. But high scores also go to people who could easily access better information. It’s safe to say that every op-ed columnist at a major newspaper could easily call up scientists or other experts and have complicated topics explained to them. If someone refused to talk to experts because their feelings were hurt by people telling them they’re wrong, well, their score of one is probably best presented by a middle finger. Only the person who would struggle to access quality information truly earns their zero.

 
 
Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo speaks at a press conference in Rockledge, Florida, on August 3, 2022.
Enlarge / Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo speaks at a press conference in Rockledge, Florida, on August 3, 2022.

Is the person using their own authority to mislead? It’s one thing to rely on a fake expert like Nils-Axel Mörner to make bad arguments. It’s a different thing entirely to be Nils-Axel Mörner. Or Joseph Ladapo (who, if we allowed bonus points, would earn them for dragging down all the credentialed scientists at his agency with him). A point also goes to people who try to use their PhD in physics or similar subjects to intimidate anyone who disagrees with them. “I’ve done a lot of Googling” earns a score that is equal to the amount of respect it deserves: zero.

Is the misinformation effective? In Florida, COVID death rates were higher among Republicans after vaccines became available, which suggests that the anti-vaccine messaging from the state’s Republican leadership is doing exactly what it’s expected to do. Misinformation about the climate has been so pervasive that it took until the Biden administration for the US to have a climate policy that wasn’t predicated on making things worse. These are signs that the misinformation is working, and its purveyors deserve their ones.

Let’s look at how this works in practice. Ladapo earns a point for spewing misinformation in nationally televised press conferences, enabled by his credentials as a Surgeon General (+1 there). He gets another point for misinforming about vaccines, which people care about. Both vaccines and the protection offered by the COVID vaccines are easy to understand (“not dead” is a pretty clear concept) and easy to find, so two more points there. His argument is wrong enough that he may have violated his university’s research ethics guidelines, so another point there, plus one more for him being able to know better. Dead Floridians attest to the harm and effectiveness of his misinformation. About the only thing I haven’t seen him do is use fake experts.

A near-perfect 9 out of 10 tells us that Ladapo demonstrates an impressive combination of wrongness and risk. It raises so many questions about his judgment that he probably shouldn’t be trusted about any subject. (You may nitpick naming the scale after someone who doesn’t achieve a perfect score on it, but remember, the issue here is misinformation—it would be inappropriate for the name to be completely accurate.)

A test case

To get a better sense for the use of the scale, I’ll use it on a less obvious candidate: Washington Post opinion columnist George Will. Will is an interesting case because he has a reputation as an intellectual and deep thinker, and he remains generally popular within the establishment of what you might call traditional conservatives in the post-Trump environment. And he generally reserves his arguments for policy matters, which are more opinion-based than fact-based.

But Will has had a thing for climate change, revisiting it semi-regularly for over a decade and invariably spouting blatant misinformation when he has. Here he is back in 2009, belittling scientists for saying that an apparent pause in warming was something that’s both temporary and inevitable when you superimpose short-term randomness on a long-term trend. Despite Will claiming that “evidence of warming becomes more elusive,” it is now obvious that the scientists were right. And he was still going on in 2021, suggesting we can’t even manage to establish basic facts. “Science has limited ability to disentangle human and natural influences on climate changes,” he said at the time. He’s published a number of very stupid things in between.

But is that enough to qualify Will as laughably wrong and dangerous? Let’s find out.

 
 

First, a focus on climate change guarantees someone a substantial number of points. It’s a subject people care about, accurate information is just about everywhere, people will clearly be harmed as a result of the misinformation, and it’s painfully clear that the misinformation has helped delay any action to limit the damage. That’s four points right there.

But Will doesn’t stop grabbing points. He has published his errors in places like the Washington Post and Newsweek, ensuring that it will be widely read (another point). He’s relied on fake experts like Steve Koonin and Bjorn Lomborg, who have had their arguments widely criticized in places Will could easily find if he chose to. He could easily get scientists to explain where he’s making errors, but as noted above, he seems to be comfortable simply dismissing their statements—and apparently hasn’t learned anything from the fact that the scientists turned out to be right. So there’s another point for being in a position where he clearly should know better but can’t be bothered to learn. We’re up to seven.

How badly wrong is Will? He devoted an entire column to the idea that the climate has changed in the past without human influence, so we can’t be confident that it’s changing now because of human influence. That is mind-numbingly ignorant. It’s the equivalent of arguing that, since lakes have formed free from human intervention, we can’t be certain that dams are doing anything.

I wish I could award him more than one point for just how awful that argument is, but rules are rules. Still, it does lead to another point: it’s not difficult to understand that the argument is wrong. Nobody is likely to have any problem recognizing that some things can happen due to either natural or human causes and that we can generally tell the two apart. It should be easy to understand this, so Will earns the point for failing to do so.

That’s nine points. The only thing that keeps him from outscoring Ladapo himself is the fact that Will doesn’t seem to have any special credentials he’s using to give his misinformation added weight. He may have a reputation as an intellectual—although, given all this evidence, it astonishes me that he’s retained it—but there are no formal credentials for intellectualism.

Still, in the end, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that, like Ladapo, Will is spreading blatant misinformation about a topic that poses a great deal of danger to many people and that his arguments are so laughably bad that we should question whether he can provide quality information about anything. Yet people still give him a pass and treat his opinions as worthy of attention. It mystifies me.

There are limits

The fact that Ladapo and Will achieve the same score highlights the limits of this scale. It’s about misinformation alone, and there are factors beyond that that can be critical to understanding the threat someone poses. Ladapo is actually in a position where he can set policy, and for most people, the risks posed by COVID are more immediate than those from our changing climate. Will is just one voice in a large chorus of climate misinformers. So Ladapo is a much more dangerous figure at the moment.

Despite its limits, I think the scale is a helpful way to think about how context makes some sources of misinformation far more dangerous than others. And it reflects the finding that, in some cases, the most widely disseminated misinformation comes from a limited number of sources.

Still, I have little doubt this scoring system could be improved. Please feel free to suggest additional factors that should be considered in the comments.

Let’s talk about McCarthy, Boebert, and how I’m not that smart….

GOP Rep Gets Snippy as Reporter Presses Him on Biden Evidence

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-rep-jason-smith-gets-snippy-as-reporter-presses-him-on-biden-evidence-timeline?ref=home

Republicans don’t care about truth, in fact it seems they hate it as it doesn’t say what they claim.  Republicans are so desperate to force the narrative that Biden is as corrupt as trump, so it doesn’t matter as they are the same.   This is wrong.  While the evidence is clear that did the crimes he is accused of, the evidence is equally clear, Biden is innocent of what the republicans accuse him of.   And when called out on it, they get angry at the reporters for showing their lies.  Hugs


“I’m not an expert on the timeline,” Rep. Jason Smith said after he was asked about a text message sent before Joe Biden was a presidential candidate.

Rep. Jason Smith

Alex Wong/Getty Images

The Republican chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee got testy with a NBC reporter during a Wednesday press conference after the journalist challenged him on the timeline of supposed evidence of President Joe Biden’s misconduct.

The journalist pointed out that a WhatsApp message that Rep. Jason Smith (R-MO) had presented as potential evidence of Biden’s use of his political influence to help Hunter Biden was dated to June 6, 2017—before Biden was a presidential candidate, let alone president.

“I’m not an expert on the timeline,” Smith replied. “I would love to have President Biden or his family tell us all about the timeline.”

When the reporter pressed him, Smith asked what outlet he worked for. Hearing the answer, the congressman snapped, “So apparently, you’ll never believe us.”

 

Smith then spluttered that he was “definitely not going to pinpoint one item” of evidence when the journalist again asked him how the message demonstrated misuse of political influence. Shortly after, without having provided an answer, Smith demanded the next question.

 

The exchange was just the latest example of Republican politicians and right-wing media figures asserting a less-than-stellar knowledge of the Biden-related misconduct allegations they want to indict him on.

Just this week, Fox News buried an interview with former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that largely demolished a longtime conspiracy theory asserting that a Ukrainian prosecutor was fired at the behest of then-Vice President Joe Biden to protect his son, Hunter, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm at the time.

Poroshenko instead dismissed the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, as a “completely crazy person” who didn’t utter a “single word of truth” about the Bidens and “played [a] very dirty game.”

According to Media Matters for America, the interview hasn’t been mentioned a single time on Fox ever since.

Even Hunter Biden’s ex-business partner Devon Archer was forced to clear up Republican-spread rumors in July that an administrative request from the Department of Justice in a separate case was an attempt to intimidate him out of testifying in front of a Republican-led congressional committee.

Once there, he was unable to provide evidence that the president was involved in his son’s business dealings—saying he discussed “nothing of material” with Joe Biden—though that didn’t stop House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer from going on a victory lap.

In actuality, as The Daily Beast first reported, Comer hadn’t even bothered to show up to the hearing he’d spent weeks touting.

Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa complex in Jerusalem to mark Jewish New Year

Thanks to Ten Bears for the link.   When will the US stop supporting this Apartheid nation?  They clearly are not willing to give the Palestine any rights, the Palestine’s live in what is justly called an open air prison.  They have no rights, they have no legal remedies but instead of being under the laws of Israel they are under military rule, their treatment is not questioned by the checks and balances of laws.  But the US not only supports this corrupt government by billions of dollars, a country that has universal healthcare that the people in the US are told is too expensive for us to have.  Does that make sense? This is no different from the US supporting the South African apartheid by white supremacist against black people.  Just because this is religious based doesn’t make it right.   We are watching the genocide of an entire group of people, and we seem to be OK with it.   I AM NOT!   Hugs.  Scottie


Hundreds of Israeli settlers on Sunday forced their way into the flash point Al-Aqsa Mosque complex in occupied East Jerusalem to celebrate the Jewish New Year, reports Anadolu Agency.

Israeli settlers observe the Rosh Hashanah (New Year) holiday from September 15 to September 17 this year. They will also mark the Sukkot holiday at the end of September and the Simhat Torah holiday on October 6.

In a statement, the Jordan-run Islamic Waqf Department said Israeli forces had emptied the Al-Aqsa complex from Palestinian worshipers before allowing settlers in.

According to the statement, Palestinians under 50 years old were prevented from entering the site.

A number of Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces from inside the complex, local sources said.

There was no comment from the Israeli authorities on the report.

For Muslims, Al-Aqsa represents the world’s third-holiest site. Jews, for their part, call the area the Temple Mount, saying it was the site of two ancient Jewish temples.

Israel occupied East Jerusalem, where Al-Aqsa complex is located, during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. It annexed the entire city in 1980 in a move never recognized by the international community.

READ: Netanyahu embroiled in differences between fanatic right-wing regarding Arab alliance

Idaho library board chair demands Sunday closures to “keep the Sabbath day holy”

https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/idaho-library-board-chair-demands

Please see the intro to my last post.  I am going to simply copy and paste it here as it is the same thing.   Also there are videos in the article that I am unable to copy, so to see them please go to the link above.  Hugs

The Christian Taliban moral police strike again.  When are people in the US going to get tired of the Christian nationalist trying to take over the country and force everyone to live under the doctrines of their churches.  Think about it, this is not religious freedom, this is religious dictatorship.   Religious freedom is everyone gets to practice and live their life according to their religion as long as it doesn’t harm others.  By the Christians insisting everyone honor their idea of the holy day, they deny the religious freedom of others.  What about religious sects and religions that have Saturday as the holy day?  What about atheist that don’t have a holy day, and their ability to enjoy each day without the religious entanglements is also part of religious freedom.  I know that some fundamental religious leaders like to claim there is no right to not be religious, but that is stupid.  To be free to practice one’s personal beliefs, one must be free to have no set religious restrictions.  People this is a fringe fundamentalist group of very vocal, very driven people willing to rule over every aspect of other peoples lives.  They are the worst busybody nosey neighbors ever in existence.  Their goal in life is to make you follow their ways, their ideas of right and wrong no matter what you believe, no matter what you think, in fact you are not important as a person for them.  You need to comply so their god is happy, that is it.  They don’t care if you’re happy or if things are good for you.  They only care if their god is happy and they think they know the secret to making their god happy.   Fight back.   Hugs


The conservative majority on the Community Library Network board voted to close libraries on Sundays, despite threats of litigation

SEP 13, 2023
 

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The Community Library Network in Post Falls, Idaho, on the western part of the panhandle, oversees seven buildings and a bookmobile. Its Board of Trustees, like any board, has to keep an eye on the budget.

On July 20, those Trustees held a discussion about whether it would be prudent to reduce or eliminate Sunday hours. On one hand, closing the library on Sunday would reduce one part-time position per location, saving a total of nearly $28,000. On the other hand, a lot of people use the library on Sunday. Trustees were told how often people accessed the internet, how many times the study rooms were booked, etc. They ended that discussion without taking action but requesting more information.

All of that is a perfectly routine conversation for the board of a library.

What’s unusual is that the Board’s Chair, Rachelle Ottosen, argued that the library should remain closed on Sunday because it’s the Sabbath.

 

Well, I know many others at these tables don’t subscribe to this, but the Lord blesses people [who] keep the Sabbath day holy. I think having people work on Sunday is actually to our detriment.

One board member politely chimed in to say (I’m paraphrasing) that was a batshit crazy idea. “I’m pretty sure not everybody in this community holds [to] that, so I think we need to look at the whole community concerning hours.”

Ottosen was thankfully on her own. But still, it was a ridiculous suggestion that never should have been offered from a Trustee.

Then, just five days later, Ottosen did it again. This time she came prepared with a Bible verse:


 

As far as closing on Sundays, most other government entities are closed on Sundays. This is not an emergency service. No one’s gonna [freak] out if they don’t get a book on Sunday.

Anyway, Exodus 20:8-10 says “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.”

So it sounds like we shouldn’t be causing other people to work, as well as not working ourselves.

Once again, another Trustee chimed in to shoot down that explanation: “I’m sorry, this is a government agency, and we need to be available for everyone.” Another Trustee later brought up the fact that some religions consider Sabbath day to be Saturday; Ottosen had no response to that.

She did, however, do her best David Barton impression, citing the Founding Fathers to pretend she wasn’t crossing some church/state separation barrier. She closed her comments by saying, “It’s in our best interests to not dishonor God.”

Last month, Americans United for Separation of Church and State stepped in to warn the Board that it was heading down a dangerous path by listening to Ottosen’s suggestion:

The board received a letter dated Aug. 9 from the nonprofit Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which asserts that closing libraries based on Ottosen’s religious beliefs violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“Ms. Ottosen is entitled to her religious beliefs, but she is not entitled to use the power of the government to enshrine those beliefs into law and to thereby force them on her constituents,” the letter said in part. “The board has a legal obligation to refuse to act on Ms. Ottosen’s religious grounds.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation has now gotten involved too.

In a letter to Ottosen, attorney Chris Line wrote that she needs to stop using her elected position to “promote your personal religious beliefs.”

While Board members are certainly free to express their religious beliefs in their private capacity outside of their role on the Board, it is unconstitutional for public officials to push their personal religious beliefs during public meetings and to adopt policies based on those beliefs with no secular justification. We request that members of the Board refrain from discussing their religious beliefs during meetings in order to uphold the rights of conscience embodied in our First Amendment. Please inform us in writing at your earliest convenience with an assurance that this won’t happen again in the future.

It’s such a sensible request the two groups are making here. This isn’t about whether or not the library system should close on Sundays. That’s up to the Trustees to decide. But whatever the decision is, it needs to be secular in nature. Someone’s religious beliefs shouldn’t dictate the outcome.

Everyone else on the board seems to understand that. Just not Ottosen.

Incidentally, three of the five board members—Ottosen, Tom Hanley, and Tim Plass—voted to close the libraries on Sundays, but after the board’s attorney mentioned that this could open the door to litigation, the same board then voted 4-1 to table the Sunday closures… even though they had already voted to close them.

The same conservative trifecta took over the board earlier this summer after running on a campaign promoting censorship and keeping books they deemed explicit out of the hands of kids.

Hanley and Plass campaigned on keeping explicit books out of children and teen sections…

Ottosen has been vocal against LGBTQ programs and books for children. She also testified to the Idaho Legislature in support of recent obscenity bills targeting libraries and librarians.

Last month, the three of them also suggested disaffiliating from the American Library Association, calling it “ultra liberal” and criticizing it for opposing censorship. “The ALA has a clear animosity and resentment toward the family and traditional religious values,” Hanley said during an August meeting.

All of that’s to say the move to shut down the libraries on Sundays because some Christians take Sabbath day seriously isn’t just one crazy board member’s wacky suggestion. It’s part of a larger plan to inject Christian Nationalism into a public library system no matter how much that harms people in the community.