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“Militant” is a strong word for me; I did go ahead and like this, choosing to believe they merely mean assertive in allyship as opposed to actual militance in allyship.
These are on-topic, in general, links I kept for you today. First one is science, even! https://cosmosmagazine.com/nature/macaque-monkeys-bisexual-benefits/
This one is a bit body-shaming, and while I’ve indulged in the past, mostly in regard to men driving huge pickup trucks and disobeying all traffic laws, it’s hit me in the past few years that I shouldn’t body-shame anymore if I don’t want others to do it. I didn’t do it, but the headline writer did (and I giggled, I’m human); the story is about KS’s AG (who does gain weight when he gets elected,) and his opinion about a particular law that went into full force and effect on 7/1/23: https://kansasreflector.com/2023/07/10/kris-kobach-stuffs-himself-into-superhero-costume-to-combat-transgender-kansans-rights/ . Enjoy at your leisure.
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Thank you Ali for the comment and the links. I do think we that support LGBTQ+ issues / people need to become much more forceful. While I would prefer to keep this from becoming physical during the political arenas, marching, and civil disobedience, history has shown that is not always possible as the other side doesn’t hold back and will use violence. As the stonewall “riots” and the recent attacks by armed gang thugs on Drag Queen Story evens have shown if we are not prepared to defend ourselves they will simply get more embolden. The few shows that armed supporters of the story events showed up to counter the gang thugs, the gang thugs backed down and did not interfere with the events. Hugs
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Defense is not the same as militance, I agree. I begrudge no one defending themselves. Hugs back!
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Oh, yeah-Also-if someone throws a pie at 1st Lady DeS, it should be a fruit pie this time (recalling Anita Bryant’s comment after she was pied. And pie-ing is not militant.) 😉🥧
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Hello Ali. Thank you for the comment, if I had suggested that I would be the bad person. That you did was wonderful. Hugs
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Well, it’s difficult to forget that one!
Also, I was a little worried that I might have said something insulting, as Ms. Bryant intended it as an insult at the time. I’m glad you know my spirit here!
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They, are militant. Not gonna’ win this turning the other cheek, gotta’ bloody some noses. Yes, someone will get hurt, it might be me, but the reason they are ‘winning’ is we are letting them … by turning the other cheek. By not playing the game by the same rules they are
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Hello Ten Bears. I just replied something similar to Ali. I explained that the couple of times that armed supporters of the Drag Queen Story events showed up to counter the armed gang thugs trying to shut them down, the thugs backed down not interfering with the planned events. History shows that the less opposition to hate bigoted / racists groups, the more embolden and aggressive they become. They need to be stood up to and face strong push back right from the start to stop them. The problem was no one took what the right was doing seriously enough at the start, and now we have to fight an already entrenched enemy. Hugs
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I may have taken the word militant too strongly. I’m not going to harm someone else, even one of these buttheads. I will feed the ones who do, if it comes to that sort of a altercation or whatever. I will come between someone bent on violence and their potential victim, but I won’t raise a weapon or my fist against, or kick someone who isn’t being violent themselves. It’s just me and my thing. It’s not in me.
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I’m not chastizing you, I think those of us who are willing should step to defend those who cannot. I’m actually thinking about making this a post.
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I just now read a Guardian headline: “Tim Dowling: I’m going to start answering the door holding a chainsaw”, and lol’d, plus kinda want to do that myself.
Back in the days when concealed carry was still in legislative argument stage, my friend/co-worker and I used to say we oughta get concealed carry chainsaw permits as a job perk (we worked for district court judges,) and we both are 5′ tall even. Again, FWIW. I was younger once. 🤷♀️😄
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Here are a couple of links to stories I read earlier today; not in regard to violence or militance but they are about defense and allyship. Not being argumentative, just sharing the bits because they’re good.
https://secondnexus.com/chasten-buttigieg-bigot-hairlab-michigan
https://www.comicsands.com/tennant-trans-kids-support-tshirt-2662265253.html
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This is not unexpected when a healthcare issue becomes politicized into one side ignoring the benefits while the other side ignores the costs. Extremists at both ends then feel a push towards militarizing because the ‘other side’ just doesn’t get it! (And why should they when such articles as this one are denied publication? Links to each claim made below are available at source.)
For example, literally decades of research has found that more than 85% of gender dysphoric children have come to accept their bodies after going through puberty. That success rate, by any medical measure, is very high. But here’s the kicker to all those LGB folk who continue to blindly support the T messaging: around two thirds of those who naturally resolved the discomfort that led to self identifying as ‘gender dysphoric’ grew up to be same-sex attracted. It is unquestionably true in fact that today’s affirmation model for the ‘T’ segment advocates for and continues to demand that this well established resolution process must be dismissed as bigotry and hate and countered by a medicalized experiment using the same drugs, ironically, once used to ‘treat/punish’ homosexuality.
It is my experience that militant extremists at both ends of the politicized debate really don’t care about what’s true and seem to have no concern whatsoever about those who are harmed. All they seem to care about is vilifying the ‘other’ – that is, anyone who disagrees with their extremist position for any reason – while assuming doing so makes them some kind of moral champion. Such ‘champions’ from both politicized ends are a continuing and central part of the problem of continuing to politicize what should be a healthcare issue, one based not on extremist ideology but best evidence and best practices. THAT is what such extremists are fighting and it is unethical to its core.
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Hey Tildeb. BULLSHIT !!!! The detransition rate is 2.4%. That makes the satisfaction with changing to the gender they identify as 97.6%. I have posted these studies before. That you don’t like them sucks to be you. I hate lies about this subject from fringe groups that are not willing to accept the majority of medical organizations recommendations to affirm gender identity treatments as best practices. Studies show gender treatments / transitioning to live as the gender the person identifies as saves lives! It doesn’t matter if you like it or not, trans people exist and kids know their gender identity at a young age. The chance of a trans child committing suicide drops dramatically when the child is allowed to transition socially and medically under the best practices guidelines of the major medical organizations.
The idea that transgender issues are a contagion by peer pressure or media has been debunked. The person who wrote that paper coining the term rapid on set dysphoria has to retract the paper and correct it. The university that original accepted the paper denounced it as totally unscientific and based on anecdotal statements by parents on an anti-trans website. How is that for fake science, just ask people who hate something if it is a good thing or real.
It is not militant to demand and defend a person’s rights. It was not militant to demand that people of color be treated as equal to whites. It was not militant for LGBTQ+ people to stand up to the abuse and mistreatment of the authorities in public demanding equality. It is not militant to counter armed aggression to stop drag queen story hours with armed aggression.
Remember this!
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
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I know you will want to always double down, Scottie, and continue to recycle the same politicized talking points that form the basis of today’s recommendations. But I’m wondering if you even bothered to read the article at the link. I suspect not because, like any True Believer, you assume you already know The Truth.
But in reality, there is a growing body of compelling medical evidence that the current recommendations are iatrogenic because they are based on faulty data (a case of garbage in, garbage out, so to speak).
If your interest is actually in service for the welfare of people as you claim rather than in service of an ideology you deny, then use your passion to insist on a systemic review. Let’s put aside the politics and return to healthcare. Should the evidence from this review indicate affirmation therapy is the best approach, then fine. I’m good with that. Should it indicate otherwise, are you able to be good with that, too?
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Tildeb I just posted the information from the US HHS. I don’t need to chase rabbit holes all day. The science and data are in. The anti-trans shit you are pushing is fringe stuff, the same as the anti-vaccine / covid conspiracy Qanon bullshit!
This is why I don’t follow your links and seriously doubt your claims below. It was a fake study designed to support a conclusion. When you have people pulling this stuff, you get into the “sure trump won the 2020 election and will be reinstated at any time” territory. I have debunked every thing you claimed on trans issues repeatedly until I was sick of repeating myself. Then you simply grab the next made up myth or fake issue and push that, while never admitting you were wrong on the other stuff you claimed.
https://www.brown.edu/news/2019-03-19/gender
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Okay. This is an excellent example of how ideology is ‘correcting’ controversial studies. Let’s look at what was ACTUALLY updated:
“The Materials and methods section was updated to include new information and more detailed descriptions about recruitment sites and to remove two figures due to copyright restrictions. Other than the addition of a few missing values in Table 13, the Results section is unchanged in the updated version of the article. The Competing Interests statement and the Data Availability statement have also been updated in the revised version.”
Nothing about the study’s results changed, Scottie. But that’s not what you and many others ‘report’. You use (as intended, I suspect) the alteration as if it in any way discredits the results. It doesn’t. Rapid Onset is still a vastly understudied aspect of what has happened in clinics: a COMPLETE reversal of who is getting this therapy from it’s original roots (and the very root used for the Dutch Protocol)!
This goes to my point about good healthcare requiring a systemic review of ALL the data. If the evidence is as strong as you are absolutely certain it is, then why not support a review? Might it be because in every other country that has done a systemic review, the same conclusion is reached by all: poor to very poor evidence of benefit and compelling evidence of iatrogenic practices?
When you criticize criticism of gender affirming therapy as some Republican anti-gay right wing and religious extremism, you are claiming without evidence that this is what motivates national health services in Sweden, Norway, France, and the United Kingdom who have done systemic reviews and dramatically reduced such services widely available and easily accessed in the US. You are factually wrong.
But then, how on earth does your thinking allow you any means to find out if you are wrong in your certainty? Can you not see the mirror image you provide of the same extreme religious belief you now practice towards gender that you once valiantly fought against when it was about some god? I can.
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Tildeb stop. You are totally misrepresenting what is true. The report had to be recalled and edited due to mistakes and bad methodology, for fuck sake. The university required massive rewrites and corrections. I am sorry you don’t like the truth, but it is out there. Lisa Littman, assistant professor of the practice of behavioral and social sciences at Brown University, published something that was not true using the method of asking anti-trans parents if they think their kids were trans at the start or influenced by others, and came up with the idea of rabid onset dysphoria, something again every credible medical organization has disavowed and says is not happening. I am not going to play this fucking game with you again!
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From the article … closing remark:
There’s no doubt that some young people are happy they’ve transitioned. But neither is there doubt that some young people have been gravely injured. Cost-benefit analysis is the backbone of good health policy, but one side ignores the benefits, and the other, the costs. When research is politicized and filtered through a left-right lens, we can’t see clearly.
(Emphasis mine)
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Hey Nan. If you bother to read this entire reply, you will see why I don’t trust the article Tildeb mentions.
100 people take a medication that saves lives. If two people are greatly injured by the medication, should we stop the other 98 people being saved from taking it? Every peer reviewed study has shown that there are very few people who regret following through with their transition. Remember this is not a sudden thing, it takes years and lots of medical exams including mental, emotional, and physical. I am sorry but I posted the US HHS page on this supporting the social and medical gender transitioning including the use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments as the child’s doctor agrees. Plus I posted the list of medical organizations that support gender-affirming care.
I remind you that Tildeb has quoted as sources of information the Florida department of health who was recently called out by the AMA and other medical groups for altering medical study data and lying about results, including making up things found to be totally incorrect, based on the opinion of the State Surgeon General, Joseph Ladapo. The same guy who also claims that vaccines kill more people than Covid and should be avoided, again making things up and removing the real data.
Just like the “study” done by Lisa Littman an adjunct assistant professor at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. It caused quite a stir with the anti-trans concluding that kids were peer pressured and media pressured in to turning suddenly trans. Even you bought into it. Now we know it was a fraudulent attempt to create a lie for anti-trans people to use as a club to create anti-trans laws against kids needing gender-affirming care. From the wiki article.
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Scottie, no matter how many articles you post, the bolded portion that I included in my last reply to you is FACT. And it is more than obvious that many individuals in this country are caught up in it.
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Nan, That is false balance, also bothsidesism, is a bias in which people present an issue as being more balanced between opposing viewpoints than the evidence supports. Bigotry masquerading as fact is not a fact. There is a right and wrong lens here. And it is vital that I along with others counter the wrong misinformation with the true, verified information. With my last reply I showed you how the anti-trans / right wing has distorted and tried to manufacture a myth that did not exist. I could go back to what was said against gay men back in the 1970s / 1980s as fact, that turned out not to be fact at all, but look at them return to using the same misinformation today. Again as fact but it is a lie and a fiction.
There is a difference between the left and the right. The left wants to promote rights, and the right wants to restrict them keeping to a long ago traditions. I am sorry but Nan the white racist back in the 1950s claimed to have science on their side also. The anti-Covid people right wing claims to have science on their side. They are wrong. Covid is not cured by Ivermectin. The Covid vaccine is not killing more people than Covid.
I see how misinformation is used and twisted. And the anti-trans people making things up like rapid onset dysphoria to get people in authority to agree to limit medical care that the majority of medical organizations say are best practices. Both sides are not equal. Hugs
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Absolutely on target. And this is my experience, too.
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Scottie, you claim, “Every peer reviewed study has shown that there are very few people who regret following through with their transition.”
False.
This recent peer reviewed study indicates “overall desistance rate for gender-related distress was 22.1% (17/77). Ongoing mental health concerns were reported by 44/50 (88.0%), and educational/occupational outcomes varied widely.”
There really IS mounting evidence over time that the desistance rate seems to slowly settle around the 30% mark looking at 4-8 years after transition. So for people to stick with only your oft-repeated 2.4% is just another example of why a systemic review is needed… because you’re using only data that aligns with your beliefs. Surely you can understand why doing so will not lead to finding out what’s probably the case; it will lead ONLY to false certainty.
Thought of in a different way, Scottie, what happens to your sense of self if you find out that your beliefs are wrong and that you’ve been advocating for harming children in general and especially young gays and lesbians redirected into a transitioning nightmare?
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For those just wanting to see what the source is that Tildeb is citing, please scroll down past the beginning evaluation. It is a site promoted by the Chinese government and cited for disinformation.
Sorry again Tildeb you are wrong. A simple google search shows this.
In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret. For some, regret was temporary, but a small number went on to have detransitioning or reversal surgeries, the 2021 review said.Mar 5, 2023
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-treatment-regret-detransition-371e927ec6e7a24cd9c77b5371c6ba2b#:~:text=In%20a%20review%20of%2027,surgeries%2C%20the%202021%20review%20said.
How much longer will you haters force this attack on trans people? In the long arc of history, you will lose. Everything you have claimed even about yourself you have shown to be false. History has shown that absent religious force intervention, progressive societies win and people get rights. Are you by any chance a religious bigot, Tildeb?
Plus there is this. What percentage of people want to transition back?
Detransition is more common in the earlier stages of transition, particularly before surgeries. The number of detransitioners is unknown, with estimates generally ranging from less than 1% to as many as 8%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition#:~:text=Detransition%20is%20more%20common%20in,to%20as%20many%20as%208%25.
Overall, we rate MDPI Pro-Science and Mostly Factual for reporting due to a few failed fact checks, numerous retractions, and being named a predatory publisher.
Founded in 1996, MDPI (Multidisciplinary Digital Publishing Institute), formerly Molecular Diversity Preservation International is an open-access journal publisher based in Basel, Switzerland. Its founder is Dr. Shu-Kun Lin, who graduated from Wuhan University, majoring in inorganic chemistry , and has a doctorate in organic chemistry from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH-Zürich).
Below I will explain what I found out about this open source reporting.
OK let’s dig into this. This prospective case-cohort study examines the developmental pathway choices of 79 young people (13.25–23.75 years old; 33 biological males and 46 biological females) is a really small study of people. This yielded 68 young people (68/79; 86.1%) with formal diagnoses of GD who were potentially eligible for gender-affirming medical interventions and 11 young people (11/79; 13.9%) who were not. Six had desisted (desistance rate of 9.1%; 6/66), and 60 had persisted on a GD (transgender) pathway (persistence rate of 90.9%; 60/66). The study was so bad kids were dropping out rather than even keep participating.
At this point I stopped reading. I can not evaluate the study medically but from the reporting it seems clear they used a very small sample group, then lost a lot of their participants. Again google the verified statistics. Tildeb they show this study you are quoting is wrong.
Here are some facts! They found that 99.7% of trans individuals were satisfied with their surgery. https://www.gendergp.com/new-study-confirms-regret-rates-of-gender-affirming-surgery-are-non-existent/#:~:text=The%20study%2C%20published%20in%20'Plastic,context%20of%20any%20healthcare%20outcomes.
Now on to the MDPI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI
Founded by Shu-Kun Lin as a chemical sample archive …
MDPI’s business model is based on establishing entirely open access broad-discipline journals, with fast processing times from submission to publication and article processing charges paid by the author.[6] MDPI’s business practices have attracted controversy, with critics suggesting it sacrifices editorial and academic rigor in favor of operational speed and business interests.
MDPI was included on Jeffrey Beall’s list of predatory open access publishing companies in 2014
Some journals published by MDPI have also been noted by the Chinese Academy of Sciences and Norwegian Scientific Publication Register, two major scientific bodies, for lack of rigour and possible predatory practice.[23][24][25]
There is more at the link I provided. But it is clear that the Peer reviewed study Tildeb mentioned is not worthy of the time it has taken me to track this stuff down.
Which leads me to this point which is really pissing me off. Tildeb and their ilk Gish gallop with as much anti-trans hate as they can possibly promote not expecting anyone to look up what they claim to be true. This has taken me hours and I missed supper to correct the mistaken view thrown out there as fact. What is the quote, a lie can travel the world before the truth can even get its pants on? It is exhausting to have to do these deep dives with dozens of open tabs. But the haters don’t care, to them it is great as it is less time for the truth to be told. Plus those reading along all this time may have thought I was not answering because Tildeb was correct.
That is one of the things that bothered me so bad before with Tildeb. They would make wildly wrong incorrect claims, I would spend hours correcting them showing the facts, and they would simply throw out more hateful incorrect garbage that would again take me hours to find the information that showed they were wrong. Tildeb repeatedly told me they are left and liberal but this is a tactic used by the right constantly. So …..
Last note for this post. I am getting stronger. I feel more like my old self. I suffered a heart / lung issue that still leaves me weak and some days not able to do much at the computer. But I will do what I can to fight this disinformation and hate for trans people, because as soon as the right wing Christian nationalist get their way with the trans people they will come for the rest of us. They already are. Hugs to the views. Scottie
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Scottie, you also claim, “the anti-trans people making things up like rapid onset dysphoria to get people in authority to agree to limit medical care that the majority of medical organizations say are best practices.”
False.
You are claiming that Dr Bailey from Northwestern has somehow convinced 1,655 parents to ‘make things up’ about their own children, specifically girls who, “with no history of gender dysphoria, suddenly declaring they want to transition to the opposite sex.”
Who is this guy? Only someone who is a professor of psychology at Northwestern University, a professor for 34 years, and a researcher for 40. He has studied controversial topics—from IQ, to sexual orientation, to transsexualism (what we called transgenderism before 2015), to pedophilia and has published well over 100 academic articles. He is widely known for studying sexual orientation—from genetic influences, to childhood precursors of homosexuality, to laboratory-measured sexual arousal patterns.
But he sinned (and so the publisher Springer pulled his study for ridiculous reasons – after receiving complaints of promoting transphobia, of course – that if applied everywhere will involve the retraction of literally thousands upon thousands of published Springer studies). He asked parents about their girls and published the results (and notice that there are literally thousands upon thousands of such parents to draw from).
Each and every one of these parents, according to you, are anti-trans BECAUSE they dare to be concerned about their girls and the rapid onset of their interest in identifying during early puberty as ‘born in the wrong body’ and undergoing chemical and physical alterations.
I would hope every single parent in the word would be concerned and would demand very high confidence evidence that this was the right way to proceed. In contrast, you demonstrate no concern for these parents’ concern or allow any wiggle room whatsoever for the legitimacy of their concerns.
Obviously you aren’t a parent! One might be tempted to think perhaps your motivation – for ‘defending’ these girls beliefs (girls with very high rates of emotional and psychological comorbidity) by maligning the parents as ‘anti-trans people making things up’ but who care for them – might be suspect to some OTHER influence than what is either true or in the best interests for the child. You seem to pay no mind whatsoever to the hell these parents go through busy as you are lumping them into the worst kinds of people imaginable. I sense zero empathy on your part and even less willingness to even listen to them and their concerns (like the very significant health risks for bone loss, heart problems, increased stroke, sterility, and surgical complications – currently about 40% – and life long medicalization taken onboard by transition). Nope. You don’t care about any of that.
You already KNOW such parents are extreme right wing transphobe and bigoted haters and must be so to dare to disagree with your beliefs. There’s the circular reasoning in action.
But what if your beliefs are wrong? Look at how easily you dismiss any and all concerns (like ROGD) that might reveal exactly that and dive right into vilifying others to the point of considering and justifying militant action like those against real life Nazis.
Scottie, you’ve got to wake up here.
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Tildeb rewrite your false information as much as you want. ROGD has been completely debunked and by the university she worked for. Nice try, move on to something else.
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Remember, Scottie, I have no skin in this game. But I do have a dedication to respecting reality enough to allow it to arbitrate my beliefs.
Is a claim true? How can I know?
These questions are at the heart of my opinions and I have changed my opinion when compelling evidence from reality indicates this is warranted. I know perfectly well I can wrong and I don’t have a problem with that.
You know I am an atheist. And you know that I have been and remain highly critical of claims based on faith rather than knowledge. Also, I have always thought well of you, that you have a good heart, and have told you this on many occasions. I get nothing but vitriol in return. But on this matter of gender and how belief in it plays out with real people in real life I think warrants a high level of skepticism when we are told we must believe that people can be born in the wrong body, people inherit a sense of gender like a soul that is both fixed yet fluid as well as subject to medical intervention, that biological sex is assigned and that sex is on a spectrum. That’s a starting requirement for belief in gender identity and necessary to justify altering legislation, medical practices, counselling, education, sports, sex-based services, and even basic biology as the foundation for the T portion of the LGB ‘community’… or one is a transphobe, bigot, hater, Republican wingnut, yada, yada, yada.
It seems to me perfectly reasonable to question all of this, especially when guidelines like those of the AAP and AMA are written by gender advocates (fellow believers). It seems reasonable to offer a peer reviewed study with about as many people in it as the original Dutch study assuming the beliefs you share but have never criticized for its similar small sample size or its specific male cohort who met the definition of life long dysphoria (today’s girls mentioned in the parent ROGD paper do not meet this definition but are told its conclusions justify all kinds of affirming treatment).
It seems to be blasphemy to you for anyone anywhere of any position or knowledge to dare question any of this. Not satisfied with that, you also seem to feel you must dismiss absolutely everyone of any position, experience, knowledge, or expertise if they blaspheme and question the assumptions you accept on faith. Not even satisfied with those two intolerant starting positions that produces an unshakable certainty or your own righteousness, you then go out of your way to vilify those terrible people who do not think in lockstep with your faith-based beliefs. Why doesn’t any of this raise a red flag to you? It should; it describes a religious fanatic, Scottie. That’s who you have become.
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Tildeb everyone has skin in this. Equality is for everyone. Right now trans people are being oppressed, demonized, and having their rights removed. And sadly those who repeat and push anti-trans crap have an agenda, even if they won’t admit it. Just like the anti-vaccine and Covid conspiracy people have an agenda, but they are still wrong. I really don’t care why you spread misinformation, the fact is you do it. I can say it is misinformation because I spent the time and effort to look it all up, to study the subjects of sex, sexuality, and gender.
You are accusing me of the very thing you are doing. You refuse to accept the information that is readily available because you don’t like it. … especially when guidelines like those of the AAP and AMA are written by gender advocates (fellow believers). No the best practices are written by medical professionals who understand the medical studies, data and the subject they trained in. That is the kicker isn’t it, you have to think you know more than trained medical professionals because they are advising something you don’t like. Sounds like more anti-vaccine Covid conspiracy stuff to me.
Quite frankly I don’t know anything about you other than the misinformation you push. You once claimed to me that you were a liberal yet quoted right wing hate media talking points. Here is the thing, until you stop spreading disinformation and promoting harmful myths about trans people, I don’t see you as trustworthy. I suspect everything you write is just a way to try to push your hateful agenda. You jumped from attack to attack on trans people like a person trying to cross slippery rocks in a stream. I seriously think that if you succeed in outlawing trans care, you will turn on the rest of the LGBTQIA also. There is always another target to make live or be just as you demand they be, exist in some homogeneity that you create to make you happy. It is interesting to me how you use the terf argument that trans kids are really just gay and that trans people are erasing gays / lesbians. Totally wrong, trans people can be gay or straight, but it is a known tactic to turn a group against each other. That weakens the enemy from with in.
You compare a sense of gender self as some mystical thing like a soul. That just goes to show you don’t know much about the topic. Gender is a social construct and it is fluid. We get our gender information at a very young age as we begin to process the world around us. From birth kids are taught about gender, who goes where, who does these chores, who gets called what. Most people fit neatly in the boxes’ society / culture has created. They fall easily in the categories they are expected to be in.
But that is not true for everyone. This is what some straight cis people can not understand. Kids know when they don’t fit the box or category that others expect them too. Kids know if they don’t feel like a boy or a girl. Kids know if what they are being told to do is wrong for them. Same with gay kids, they know adults are pushing them to be attracted to a category of people, but they know they simply don’t feel that attraction.
What some adults are trying to do is force these kids to fake it, to hide who they are, to act in behaviors that are pleasing to the adults, who want mini clones of themselves. It is funny but anti-trans people seem to think kids can just waltz into a doctor’s clinic and get hormones and sex surgeries. They can not! Some adult has to give legal consent and pay for it. Hell I am on testosterone and it is a bitch to get it from the pharmacy. They take my driver’s license and scan it, the hoops I go through for that safe necessary drug are worse than the narcotics I take. So kids are not doing medical treatments without adult supervision and medical guidance.
Tildeb for the last time biologist say that sex is a spectrum. From the xx / xy to the xxy / xxx. and everything in between. There is far more to sexual biology than a penis or vagina. If it dangles it is a boy if not it is a girl, is far too simplified and doesn’t cover the range of biological sexual chemical development. What you are advocating for is to ignore all the new medical data and scientific studies that improve on what we knew before.
The fact is there has always been resistance to change, a desire by some to stick with what was. They know it, they are comfortable with it, and those that are not that way should just pretend to be so the rest can stay in the comfort zone. But time moves forward. Blacks should have been OK as oppressed people, the whites felt the system worked. Women should have been happy to keep the house and raising a bunch of kids. Women should have been happy not taking jobs that were men’s jobs, like joining the military or driving semi trucks. Gays should have stayed in the closet, hidden and only expressing their affection for each other in the quiet darkness of their homes with the curtains drawn. Except that was not good enough for some straight people, and they wrote laws allowing the arresting gay men for having sex with other men in their own bedrooms.
See the pattern. Return to the 1950s where white Christian males were automatically assumed to be in charge, the Christian churches were assumed good holy morally upright centers, women stayed home subservient to the demands of their husbands, black people knew their place and stayed there, and the gays were in hiding afraid to be found out. Simple good times, right? Yes if you were straight white Christian cis males. The rest of the people just had to accept their lot in life, right. Sorry the world grew up and got more tolerant. And we are still growing and becoming more tolerant / socially accepting.
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I said, “It is my experience that militant extremists at both ends of the politicized debate really don’t care about what’s true and seem to have no concern whatsoever about those who are harmed. All they seem to care about is vilifying the ‘other’ – that is, anyone who disagrees with their extremist position for any reason – while assuming doing so makes them some kind of moral champion. Such ‘champions’ from both politicized ends are a continuing and central part of the problem of continuing to politicize what should be a healthcare issue, one based not on extremist ideology but best evidence and best practices. THAT is what such extremists are fighting and it is unethical to its core.”
Scottie, you rest my case for me. You think you are debunking me when all you’re doing is using the same politicized talking points in ever larger and larger fonts. Rather than support more ideologically based militancy like you do, I think more of us need to support a medical systemic review and follow best evidence with best practices. How some ideologues paint that to be misinformation and transphobic is a demonstration of just how far down the gender rabbit hole so many have tumbled.
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Right Tildeb, everything you don’t like is wrong. I guess because you know more than the medical professionals who study and work in these fields. Everyone is wrong and you’re correct, and everyone that doesn’t accept what you proclaim is a militant or ideologue. Even though your claims don’t stand up to scrutiny.
Tildeb this is not about politics, it is about the rights and medical needs of trans kids / adults. Period. You are arguing against the medical establishment’s best medical practices based on the best medical data available. Sorry if you don’t like it or don’t understand it. But you can not get around the fact that the major medical association’s best medical treatment for people with gender identity issues is gender-affirming care to transition socially, medically, and when adult if they want to surgically. All under the supervision of medical providers and parental guidance.
What you are doing is no different than people who use the VAERS website of unverified anecdotal reports to claim that vaccines are deadly and don’t work. Again the whole ROGD was based on a website where anti-trans parents pissed off that their kids were having gender issues so they were blaming everything they could think of because they couldn’t accept their kids as they were. It was made up. Yet the anti-trans haters ran with it, pushed it, and it has been used as a reason to restrict the medical needs of kids. That is the dangerous shit you have pushed here.
Again everyone is wrong except Tildeb and his anti-trans community. Are you going after drag queens that read stories to children also? Both medical and social understanding has progressed and will keep doings so. Stop living in the past, join us in the present.
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