Bastards. No fucking way do the Israeli’s deserve any sympathy for the Hamas attack as they keep using it to kill innocent women, children and male civilians. I am very angry. Hugs. Scottie.
Israeli strike on Gaza’s Jabalya refugee camp causes many casualties, officials say
An Israeli strike on the densely populated Jabalya refugee camp in northern Gaza caused many casualties, officials in the enclave said Tuesday.
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Understandable Scottie.
There is a fearful horrid type of ‘logic’ in war which it is good that many folk should not understand and be outraged by.
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Roger
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Hi Roger. At the start of this, I posted the Muslim comedian who asked in an interview what the exchange rate for Palestinian lives for Jewish lives. He was making the point that every year even in places where there is no Hamas, Israeli military kill Palestinian civilians, a lot of them kids. He asked what rate now, 100 to 1 or 1000 to one. I guess the exchange rate is going to be10s of thousands for 1,400. Seems rather steep price to me. Hugs. Scottie
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Yes. This is one of the consequences of WAR. The use of killing civilians or the acceptance that killing civilians is part of the process.
This has been going on across the thousands of years of warfare. Reading the accounts of genocides and civilian ‘collateral damage’ in the 21st century alone is enough to bring on a depression and or anger that will stay around and sometimes inure a reader to the next one.
At some stage, maybe not in our lifetimes but not too long afterwards the same could happen to Israel. The top nations or empire always suffers the same fate.
And none of it is worth one child’s tears.
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Hi Roger. I respect your knowledge, your reasoning, your understanding of history. But can we really call what has been happening in Gaza / Israel for decades a war? Seriously this is a prison population uprising against the jailers / oppressors. And every now and again, the jailers come in with overwhelming force to make the prisoners understand they are in an oppressive prison controlled by the jailers. This is not ‘collateral damage’ but instead this is the deliberate killing of civilians for a political purpose, and the name for that is terrorism. So we have to accept that Israel has been engaged in terrorism. What does that do to the idea of the war against terrorism the US keeps pushing? Hugs. Scottie
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Yes I agree Scottie. This is the problem with what you call A War.
Both sides have weapons, both sides inflict casualties. So by that by measurement yes it is. Now where one side was justified in using weapons because the other side was, and which one started it by threat and political pressure as well as military action? That’s another question.
I would feel this is a war because the Palestinians have been fighting back against what they see as theft of their land for nearly 70 years and the Israelis have been responding, disproportionately it can be reasonably argued.
The ‘War Against Terrorism’ is just one of those terms, isn’t it? To be starkly honest about in Hamas have an army, with a chain of command and weaponry, they are quite professional. You could hardly call them ragged terrorists. I say that just as an observation. The sort of evaluation that goes on when War comes a’calling. Not even judging the whys and the wherefores.
There I am again, like I did earlier about the Atom Bomb
I compare this with say the genocide of the Rohingya by the Myanmar governments and local terror gangs were the whole thing was a one-side slaughter and mass rape: 24,000 dead and the survivors cast out to live in squalor in Bangladesh. That was a mass slaughter of another sort.
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I agree that the treatment of the Rohingya is little different to the treatment the Palestinians of Gaza are facing, yet for some reason seems to go unnoticed in much of the West. The two groups have the same religion (Islam) but their oppressors have different religions (Judaism and Buddhism). Is that the reason, or is it distance from the West, or is it because the dominant religion in the west has its origin in Jewish dissidents, or is it because the Near East is more important to the West strategically and economically? Whatever, it seems to me that the intended outcome of both governments is the forced “resettlement” of civilians across an international border so it’s no longer their problem.
And while I abhor civilian casualties being seen as as little more than “collateral damage” in war, almost every war has seen deliberate attacks on civilians in an attempt to alter the course of the war. Every such action is an act of terrorism. This includes the current actions of the Israeli and Myanmar authorities. It also applies to actions by Hamas. Historically I believe it applies to the German bombing of UK cities during WWII and equally to the firebombing of Dresden and the atomic bombing of Japan. Each of these deliberately targeted civilians with the intent of creating a military advantage. The civilians were not “collateral damage”, they were the intended targets.
It is the height of hypocrisy to condemn the actions of one group as terrorism while praising the same or similar actions by another group as being necessary for peace. As my father used to say “The ending of one war sow the seeds for the next”.
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24,000 Rohingya and estimates into the 100,000 – 200,000 Dafuris in Sudan. Those are just two examples where I do not recall much in the way of public outrage on the streets of the UK. Mention these on any social media site focusing on the current violence in the Palestine / Israeli region and you run the risk of at least being accused of ‘whataboutism’ ( ‘neat’ ‘little’ word). I can regrettably understand anger from folk who have cultural, religious or family ties, it’s personal, and we all have those triggers. It is the, how shall I put it, those whose heritage and ancestry is based back the various European strain, who outrage I have quite frankly little time for. Where have they been in the aforementioned? This is before you get around to the fact that Hamas’s backers Iran have been brutally supressing the rights of its own women. It is another layer of hypocrisy, not too dissimilar to the sort of that governments indulge in.
I agree with your assessment of the lack of response of the Rohingya genocides, politicians did do their PR stuff trotting out there and shaking their heads sadly and may have even been upset for a while, but….. Anyway the Myanmar Government is acceptable (for the moment ) by China (despite the massacres of ethnic Chinese) and ‘we’ wouldn’t want to upset the Chinese Government would we (Uyghurs? Yes it’s a shame and we have said so, but we leave that up to the UN. By the way I don’t recall any mass protests there either).
And yes, civilians and their livelihoods have always been targets, for all recorded history. It is all about destroying the opposition’s will to resist (and if that fails just destroying the entire opposition as a people) If we look at the relatively recent times, the events which proceeded Agincourt were part of the acceptable tactic of loot, pillage and destroy, except Good King Henry said all religious places were off limits (how decent of him). Marlborough let his armies run riot in Bavaria to force the French-Bavarian forces to come out into the field instead of being correctly ensconced in fortress towns. And by the 20th century the process was on industrial scale. The dread and horrific logic of War which requires ethics and compassion are not necessary, even encumbrances. I suspect ‘Collateral Damage’ was a little phrase someone cooked up to suggest the killings might be accepted as accidental- that backfired pretty soon.
Your father was quite correct in that assessment. Wars are never truly one, one side runs out of ability and resources, for a while. Or if there are alliances involved as soon as this war is over the alliance breaks apart and a fresh round of conflict break out between who were previously allies.
Meanwhile the killings will go on in Palestine / Israel and the only folk who truly benefit will be the leaders at the very top of the combatants and their backers who will convince their grass roots and those with no option that ‘theirs’ is the only way. And in the West the public choose sides, for all sorts of reasons.
And the children and vulnerable keep getting killed.
All around the world.
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