This is the most important issue the republicans think they have to deal with. Trans and gay people / kids. Not kids being hungry, not schools shootings, not educations test scores or financing. Nope what bathroom a person can use and what medical treatment is available.
The republicans think they have a winning issue with their base because these are hate bills, socially regressive bills. But these are a driven minority fueled either by hate or driven by religious beliefs, possibly both. The majority rejects that hate, that bigotry, that demand to control how others live. These anti-trans bills mirror the anti-gay bills of the 1970s, and that mirrored the anti-race integration. It is all about resisting changes in society and inclusion of those who are different. It is about not progressing, instead wanting things to never change. But look at history, every generation advances society in some way, with causing more friction with the older generations, that forget they changed society of their elders also. Think of the bathroom bills and then think how white people did not want to share bathrooms or any place with black people. The bathroom bills trying to keep trans kids from public bathrooms and out of locker rooms is the same bullshit that I faced as a gay man, these same people wanted to keep me from using bathrooms, using locker rooms claiming gay men would sexually attack straight men. Sounds just like trans women would attack cis women. The bills about keep trans people out of sports are very like the racial segregated sports teams in the 1950, claiming first black people were inferior then also saying that black men would take over the sports winning over the whites. Does it all sound so familiar. It is the same hate, same bigotry, just repackaged to use against a new group for these people to hate.
Also these people just refuse to accept well known documented medical science / studies that show people are not made gay or trans, but born that way. You cannot force a straight person to be gay, and you can not force a gay person to be straight. Also while these bills forbid any mention of a non-cisgender or non-straight orientation, that requires the forced reinforcement of cis heterosexuality. Hugs. Scottie
The state is considering 41 other bills attacking transgender rights this year.
An opponent of one of several anti-trans bills testifies before the Missouri House Emerging Issues Committee.Photo: Screenshot
Lawmakers in both the Missouri House of Representatives and Senate debated a total of eight anti-transgender bills in a single day this week.
The measures, affecting trans people’s ability to access healthcare, bathrooms, and other facilities, and legal recognition of their gender identity, represent just a fraction of the 49 anti-trans bills Missouri Republicans have already introduced this month. Trans journalist Erin Reed described the latest wave of proposed laws as “a firehose of legislation that touches every aspect of trans people’s lives.”
State law allows the university to provide gender-affirming care, but it still refuses to do so.
On Wednesday, Missouri’s Senate Education and Workforce Development Committee heard testimony on S.B. 728, one of two bills, which would establish a “Parents’ Bill of Rights” in the state. Among other provisions affecting school curriculum, S.B. 728 “prohibits public school officials from encouraging a student under the age of eighteen years old to adopt a gender identity or sexual orientation.” It also requires school officials to “inform a student’s parent within twenty-four hours if the student expresses confusion about their documented identity or requests to use personal pronouns that differ from their documented identity” and to “obtain written parental consent before allowing a student to use a name other than the name provided by the parent when registering the student for school and before encouraging a student to wear certain items of clothing.”
Effectively, the bill requires schools to out suspected trans and nonbinary students to their parents.
The committee was also scheduled to hear S.B. 770, another “Parents’ Bill of Rights” measure that included a ban on transgender girls participating in school-sponsored girls’ athletic teams. The hearing on S.B. 770 was canceled, however.
Meanwhile, in a nine-hour hearing, the state’s House Emerging Issues Committee took up seven separate anti-trans measures.
Two bills sponsored by Missouri state Rep. Brad Hudson (R) target access to gender-affirming healthcare. H.B. 1519 would allow healthcare professionals—including, as Reed noted, pharmacists, desk workers, and nurses—to refuse to treat trans people receiving gender-affirming care. During public testimony, opponents of the bill noted that it would not only legalize discrimination but could also result in cisgender, nonbinary, and intersex people being denied medication by providers who mistakenly assume they are trying to access gender-affirming treatment.
This witness talks about how the same medications given to them (they didn't give pronouns, genderfluid) for their transition are the same ones given to cis men for hair loss, talks about the hatred the laws create. pic.twitter.com/3EH1eS9MLm
Hudson’s H.B. 1520, meanwhile, aims to strengthen and extend Missouri’s “Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.” Signed by Gov. Mike Parson (R) last June, the law banned all gender-affirming care for minors but included an exception for trans young people who are already receiving such care, as well as a sunset provision, causing the law to expire in August 2027. H.B. 1520 would remove those provisions, forcing trans minors who are currently receiving gender-affirming care to detransition and extending the law beyond the 2027 expiration date.
State Rep. Ashley Aune (D) noted that the sunset provision was included in the SAFE Act so that lawmakers could assess the law’s “unintended consequences.” Hudson responded that there is already “enough evidence out there” and that he knows “these drugs are not good for kids.”
In fact, every major American medical association has acknowledged that gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers and hormone therapy, is evidence-based, safe, and effective for the treatment of gender dysphoria.
The committee also heard testimony on four bills aimed at banning transgender Missourians from using bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond to their gender identity. Proponents of such laws almost universally focus, without evidence, on the supposed threat transgender women pose to cis women in public restrooms. But during Wednesday’s hearing, opponents noted that, far from alleviating any discomfort, the bills would force masculine-presenting trans men to use women’s restrooms and also endanger trans women forced to use men’s facilities while doing nothing to prevent actual predators from accessing women’s bathrooms.
"Did you get this language from the Heritage foundation?"
Also, if you force trans men into women's bathrooms, you force people like this into women's bathrooms. A person could just as easily, if they want to use the "Wrong bathroom," claim they are a trans man if this bill passes. pic.twitter.com/sMBhYtFXg9
Rep Aune: "In a situation where you are in public, if a law went into place that required you to use the restroom as defined in this bill, would that leave you using women's restrooms?"
Additionally, one of the bathroom bills introduced by state Rep. Adam Schnelting (R), H.B. 2308, would legally define the terms “male” and “female” according to a person’s reproductive biology.
Similarly, H.B. 2309, also introduced by Schnelting, aims to legally redefine “gender” as synonymous with biological sex. According to Reed, the bill would end any legal recognition of transgender people in the state and would likely affect the gender markers on their birth certificates, driver’s licenses, and other forms of ID.
Schnelting testified that his bills would affect “bathrooms, dorms, shelters, everything” and might even “nullify sex-specific scholarships” given to trans individuals.
Democrats on the committee blasted their Republican colleagues’ seemingly single-minded focus on limiting the rights of transgender Missourians. State Rep. David Tyson Smith (D), who noted that Republicans make up 40 percent of his constituents, argued that people want lawmakers to address “inflation, grocery store prices.”
“People are wondering why we are spending time on this,” Smith said.
State Rep. Doug Mann (D) sounded an even more urgent alarm. “When it became no longer acceptable to be anti-gay in public, people moved to being anti-trans,” he said. “When you start to attack an already vulnerable group of people, you do not stop with that already vulnerable group of people.”
“I’m going to be honest, I do not trust that this is the end,” Mann said of the anti-trans bills. “Everything I have seen as a student of history, as a student from politics, as a student of government, tells me that it is going to go farther. Things are going to get worse, not better.”
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Hi Scottie; Please be careful with this comment. It can be triggering.
I’ve really struggled with this whole thing. I support trans rights, but I will admit that my interactions with trans people has been uncomfortable. The issue, I recognize, is my own. See, for me, I identify as male. I don’t understand the person who is male, but doesn’t identify as male. BUT!! But, what makes my identification and comfortability for myself the arbiter for everyone? Further, I recognize that there needs to be a way for trans athletes to compete, but I also recognize that the male physical body and the female physical body do differ considerably. I just don’t have an answer to that.
While I read this article, I thought to look into the number of rapes/sexual assaults committed each year by trans people. I wanted to find the real numbers behind how many assaults actually happened in bathrooms and what was the disposition of the assaulter. (https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/PF_Research-Brief_JULY-2017-FINAL-1.pdf) How many trans men assault women in bathrooms vs. how many straight men? (https://www.stopitnow.org/advice-column-entry/are-children-at-risk-of-sexual-abuse-in-public-bathrooms) It was difficult to find. What I did find was that 90% of child sexual assaults, male and female, are from people known and TRUSTED by the family, and that a very surprising number of trans people are victims of sexual assault before and after surgery – they are quite unlikely to report them due to the stigma, pushback, embarrassment, and a whole host of other issues I’ll likely never understand. I read of straight men being sexually assaulted by women, and how rarely is that actually charged. I had to face my own sexual assault by a considerably older female and how it confused and tortured me, how this is actually the first time I’ve ever mentioned it even in writing because the response would have likely either been “who cares” or “lucky guy” or other attention that I really just don’t want.
This brought me to some very real understandings: We have a very weird body conscious for our youth, as anyone who has ever been to the beach yet reads this article of someone being afraid of having a “male” in the bathroom when they go pee behind a closed closeted toilet would also likely realize.
The other issue I realize is that these bathroom laws are chasing – to a great extent – non issues.
Let me clarify that: EVERYONE deserves respect. A person going pee in safety and relative privacy is just one very real aspect of that. EVERYONE deserves respect, and a person coming to understand that their outside shell does not conform to their inside person is just one very real aspect of that. EVERYONE DESERVES Respect, and that includes the 90+% of young people who are assaulted by someone considered trusted by the family. EVERYONE DESERVES RESPECT! And that includes the person who is doing everything possible to live a genuine and good existence and just wants to be a part of society, to play sports, to go pee when the requirement demands, to love, to live. And, let me make this even more clear: Laws that begin with disrespect, perpetrate disrespect, and seek only to demean and limit people only trying to live are corrupt in their inception and should be downcast immediately.
Sorry to write a book here, Scottie, but I think the whole issue is being framed in the wrong light, that it has very little to do with actual events as they are very small in number and more to do with how respect for others seems so rare now.
Hugs;
randy
Randy, I respect your remarks. I agree with many, but not all, of them. In any case, I do think you bring up some important points.
The thing is … “laws” are never going to change people. We obey laws in fear of consequences … not always because we agree with them. And laws related to the multi-letter crowd are essentially useless because they are outside the “norm” of what society as a whole accepts. And really, how many are going to face a judge or actually be put behind bars because they disobey a law that is designed to protect only one group of people? Example: white people have sub-treated African-Americans for years … and very few have suffered any consequences.
I totally agree that “respect” is the keyword. But this usually comes in the way each individual is raised. Unfortunately, many believe THEY are the ONLY ones that deserve it … and IMO, this is where the crux of the matter resides.
Hi Randy. I am glad you wrote your comment. You expressed a lot of the issues with some thought in them not just running on emotion. I am going to go through them replying as best I can.
As for trans women in women’s sports. First note that no one against trans women in women’s sports cares about trans boys in boys sports, and that is weird as trans boys are winning over cis boys. Second we have to move beyond what seems like common sense because often common sense betrays the truth. For example it was common sense that the earth did not move so things moving in the sky meant that those things were what was moving, including the sun rotating around the earth.
As for trans women in playing against cis women, we have to go with the science. First there are many factors that go into being better at a task than others, often it is chemical soup which makes us up, that sliding scale of male to female we are all on. Some people are more muscular, strong, faster, taller, than others. Some people train harder than others. When I was in the military in my prime, there were many women who could kick my ass in all the PE tasks and in a fight. The second is the medical science that says before puberty there is no male advantage due to puberty, and with puberty those never happen. Also medical science says there are no advantages for trans women over cis women in sports after a period of time on estrogen, no bone structure, no lung advantage, no blood circulation, no larger muscles. In fact some things may work against the trans woman.
But also it is effort put into the sport. Let’s use the anti-trans in sports people’s favorite aggrieved sports person, Riley Gaines. She went around claiming she was denied a trophy and a scholarship due to trans woman Lia Thomas beating her unfairly. She has made a far greater career out of this being aggrieved than she ever was at swimming. See she fails to tell the truth, she tied with Thomas, and they were both beaten by four other cis women. Yes the trans woman did not win the events, the cis women did. While Lia Thomas won events as a man against men, even with constant daily hard practice she struggled to win against women due to the estrogen she was taking reducing her abilities. Science and facts.
On the other side of the coin, natural ability and in born chemical soup sometimes gives cis people an advantage. Take the famous swimmer Michael Phelps. He won everything. Turns out he had a natural advantage mother nature gave him for water events. His body was much better fit to swimming in that he had a proportionally longer wingspan, he was double-jointed, his size-14 feet reportedly bend 15 degrees farther at the ankle than most other swimmers, turning his feet into virtual flippers. This flexibility also extends to his knees and elbows, possibly allowing him to get more out of each stroke. Also there is the runner Caster Semenya, who was banned from her sport because … of a natural advantage. Well, I will put it below.
The European Court of Human Rights ruled that the South African gold medalist had been discriminated against. The 32-year-old has a medical condition known as hyperandrogenism, which produces higher-than-usual testosterone levels, a hormone that can increase muscle mass and strength. At birth, she was assigned as a female and has been legally considered a female throughout her life.
Again that chemical soup means more than if it dangles or not.
Lastly how big a problem is it anyway. Several red state governors have tried to veto anti-trans sports bills because of not having a trans kids in sports in the state. One governor said there were only 4 trans kids in the state, and none played sports. So this is a made up issue to make people scared, make parents scared that their daughter is being robbed unfairly of her trophies. The fact is, these laws have made one trans boy wrestler on testosterone have to wrestle girls that struggle against him. He is much bigger and developed than they are. He doesn’t want to wrestle females, he wants to wrestle males like himself. But he was born with a vagina, a non-dangle, so he must be on the girl’s team by these laws.
Randy I am going to break this reply into to segments so it is easier for everyone to respond to. Thanks for a great comment. Hugs. Scottie
Hi Randy. First I want to thank you for feeling safe enough here to share your assault / violation. There is nothing lucky in being introduced to or forced into sexual situations you have no understanding of or control over. At any age. A website that has helped me understand my self and actions greatly is https://malesurvivor.org/ . The site has many forums that coverall the spectrums, from abuse to current music a person may enjoy. There is something for everybody and every need. There are sections for males abused by women to tell their stories and separate sections for males abused by males. Also if you need to talk you can always talk to me offline, or write your story and post it here if that would help you as it does me. Hugs always brother.
Second part of my reply. In this one, I want to talk about bathrooms. I just watched the Majority Report crew exposed a right wing media Joe Rogan going on about a skit put on about a group mocking trans fears over bathrooms because he took it as real. Oh the horror that a man with a full beard wants to go into a female public bathroom with a mother saying a child is going to go to the bathroom in there. It was mocking, but he took it seriously. Here is what Emma said, in that bathroom the girl would have been in a stall with no one able to see them unless they tried to look over the top or crawl under the bottom. Both things that no trans person does.
Randy, Nan and you talk about being comfortable in a bathroom. Think of every boy abused by men and boys going into a room that has open urinals. The most comfortable I ever was in a public bathroom, including those with showers, were ones designed to be unisexual. Open to all. They had only stalls, floor to ceiling dividers, sinks in a general area. You went in, went to a stall if needed, or if there to shower used the sink then went to one of the shower stalls, found an unlocked empty one that you entered, locked, and used. There was a space in the shower for your stuff, you put them there, showered, went there, dried off, dressed and left. At no time did anyone expose themselves to others. Plus there were most of the time men and women in the main room.
I have read that new public bathrooms will be built with similar designs.
The right uses the bathrooms as a scare tactic. Men are going into the bathroom with your little daughter … be scared, be very scared. They never talk about trans boys in men’s bathrooms? Why. Dang, that should be a great fear point. Trans boys being abused by those very same men that were going to abuse their daughters in the girls bathrooms? Take your time, let it sink in. Trans boys, men, little girls. Because it doesn’t cause unreasonable fear like a little girl with a man does. And that is the goal of those pushing anti-trans stuff.
I read your links. In the one, I read this. Based on our review of this sample of sexual assault complaints, we did not find evidence of any sexual assault taking place in which a man, under the guise of being a woman or transgender, entered a women’s bathroom to commit a sexual assault or otherwise victimize women who were in the bathroom at the time during the period of January 2012 – September 2016.
The fact is no law about which bathroom a person can use has ever stopped sexual assaults by those that want to do them. That includes same sex assaults, as in male on male or straight sexual assaults male to female. As you said, Randy, most sexual assaults are by people the victim knows. But to the issue.
The anti-trans women in female bathrooms push this idea that a man could claim to be a woman and go into a female bathroom, then assault someone in there. Ask your self at what point a person wanting to do this has to declare themselves a woman. Is there a voice promote at the door saying to open the door, say if you are a woman to walk in? No people just enter. A person intent on sexual assault doesn’t need to claim to be a woman, they only need to walk into the room.
That is the big falsehood to these bills. They don’t stop any assaults or help, they just hurt innocent people needing to pee. I never had anyone about to hurt me, force me into a sex act, a person about to violate me sexually tell me how they identify nor state their gender. They did what they wanted, took what made them feel good. This entire trans people are scary because they are different and will hurt you badly every chance they get, they will sexually assault you or worse your little girl, your daughter is a really old trope.
When have we heard that before? Yes, black men can’t be in white spaces because they will rape and impregnate our pure white women. Emmett Till a 14 year old was tortured and murdered because of this fear, the false claim he whistled at a white woman was enough to get a group of white men to abduct him, torture him, beat him to death, and all to protect the white women from sexual assault.
This same fear them, fear them type of talk led to the idea of banning gay men from men’s bathrooms, men’s locker rooms, and even from jobs near kids like teachers. Because of course all the gay men want to do is sexually abuse boys, that is the only reason they live / exist. Same as those trans women needing to pee. Same as those black people wanting to use the same schools, places to eat, places to sleep … all they want is a chance to sexual assault the white / straight girl / boy.
Remember the right wing talking points about same-sex marriage? It was not discrimination because gay people could just do what straight people did and marry someone of the opposite sex. In other words just do as we straight people do, act like us, and everyone is happy … well ok just we straight people are but that is OK, that is the point.
I hope I made the point. If you buy into any of the right wing talking points and pushed false issues on trans people, simply look at what hate campaigns people against any change in society did in the past. It makes clear what this is entirely about. They don’t want society to change or advance. It doesn’t matter who else gets hurt, as long as they can stay comfortable in the public social space they always have been in. It is about them being happy and comfortable, no matter how it hurts others who are suffering because they can’t be equal as who they truly are. Hugs. Scottie
An opponent of one of several anti-trans bills testifies before the Missouri House Emerging Issues Committee.Photo: Screenshot
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Hi Scottie; Please be careful with this comment. It can be triggering.
I’ve really struggled with this whole thing. I support trans rights, but I will admit that my interactions with trans people has been uncomfortable. The issue, I recognize, is my own. See, for me, I identify as male. I don’t understand the person who is male, but doesn’t identify as male. BUT!! But, what makes my identification and comfortability for myself the arbiter for everyone? Further, I recognize that there needs to be a way for trans athletes to compete, but I also recognize that the male physical body and the female physical body do differ considerably. I just don’t have an answer to that.
While I read this article, I thought to look into the number of rapes/sexual assaults committed each year by trans people. I wanted to find the real numbers behind how many assaults actually happened in bathrooms and what was the disposition of the assaulter. (https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/PF_Research-Brief_JULY-2017-FINAL-1.pdf) How many trans men assault women in bathrooms vs. how many straight men? (https://www.stopitnow.org/advice-column-entry/are-children-at-risk-of-sexual-abuse-in-public-bathrooms) It was difficult to find. What I did find was that 90% of child sexual assaults, male and female, are from people known and TRUSTED by the family, and that a very surprising number of trans people are victims of sexual assault before and after surgery – they are quite unlikely to report them due to the stigma, pushback, embarrassment, and a whole host of other issues I’ll likely never understand. I read of straight men being sexually assaulted by women, and how rarely is that actually charged. I had to face my own sexual assault by a considerably older female and how it confused and tortured me, how this is actually the first time I’ve ever mentioned it even in writing because the response would have likely either been “who cares” or “lucky guy” or other attention that I really just don’t want.
This brought me to some very real understandings: We have a very weird body conscious for our youth, as anyone who has ever been to the beach yet reads this article of someone being afraid of having a “male” in the bathroom when they go pee behind a closed closeted toilet would also likely realize.
The other issue I realize is that these bathroom laws are chasing – to a great extent – non issues.
Let me clarify that: EVERYONE deserves respect. A person going pee in safety and relative privacy is just one very real aspect of that. EVERYONE deserves respect, and a person coming to understand that their outside shell does not conform to their inside person is just one very real aspect of that. EVERYONE DESERVES Respect, and that includes the 90+% of young people who are assaulted by someone considered trusted by the family. EVERYONE DESERVES RESPECT! And that includes the person who is doing everything possible to live a genuine and good existence and just wants to be a part of society, to play sports, to go pee when the requirement demands, to love, to live. And, let me make this even more clear: Laws that begin with disrespect, perpetrate disrespect, and seek only to demean and limit people only trying to live are corrupt in their inception and should be downcast immediately.
Sorry to write a book here, Scottie, but I think the whole issue is being framed in the wrong light, that it has very little to do with actual events as they are very small in number and more to do with how respect for others seems so rare now.
Hugs;
randy
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Randy, I respect your remarks. I agree with many, but not all, of them. In any case, I do think you bring up some important points.
The thing is … “laws” are never going to change people. We obey laws in fear of consequences … not always because we agree with them. And laws related to the multi-letter crowd are essentially useless because they are outside the “norm” of what society as a whole accepts. And really, how many are going to face a judge or actually be put behind bars because they disobey a law that is designed to protect only one group of people? Example: white people have sub-treated African-Americans for years … and very few have suffered any consequences.
I totally agree that “respect” is the keyword. But this usually comes in the way each individual is raised. Unfortunately, many believe THEY are the ONLY ones that deserve it … and IMO, this is where the crux of the matter resides.
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Well spoken. Thank you.
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Hi Randy. I am glad you wrote your comment. You expressed a lot of the issues with some thought in them not just running on emotion. I am going to go through them replying as best I can.
As for trans women in women’s sports. First note that no one against trans women in women’s sports cares about trans boys in boys sports, and that is weird as trans boys are winning over cis boys. Second we have to move beyond what seems like common sense because often common sense betrays the truth. For example it was common sense that the earth did not move so things moving in the sky meant that those things were what was moving, including the sun rotating around the earth.
As for trans women in playing against cis women, we have to go with the science. First there are many factors that go into being better at a task than others, often it is chemical soup which makes us up, that sliding scale of male to female we are all on. Some people are more muscular, strong, faster, taller, than others. Some people train harder than others. When I was in the military in my prime, there were many women who could kick my ass in all the PE tasks and in a fight. The second is the medical science that says before puberty there is no male advantage due to puberty, and with puberty those never happen. Also medical science says there are no advantages for trans women over cis women in sports after a period of time on estrogen, no bone structure, no lung advantage, no blood circulation, no larger muscles. In fact some things may work against the trans woman.
But also it is effort put into the sport. Let’s use the anti-trans in sports people’s favorite aggrieved sports person, Riley Gaines. She went around claiming she was denied a trophy and a scholarship due to trans woman Lia Thomas beating her unfairly. She has made a far greater career out of this being aggrieved than she ever was at swimming. See she fails to tell the truth, she tied with Thomas, and they were both beaten by four other cis women. Yes the trans woman did not win the events, the cis women did. While Lia Thomas won events as a man against men, even with constant daily hard practice she struggled to win against women due to the estrogen she was taking reducing her abilities. Science and facts.
On the other side of the coin, natural ability and in born chemical soup sometimes gives cis people an advantage. Take the famous swimmer Michael Phelps. He won everything. Turns out he had a natural advantage mother nature gave him for water events. His body was much better fit to swimming in that he had a proportionally longer wingspan, he was double-jointed, his size-14 feet reportedly bend 15 degrees farther at the ankle than most other swimmers, turning his feet into virtual flippers. This flexibility also extends to his knees and elbows, possibly allowing him to get more out of each stroke. Also there is the runner Caster Semenya, who was banned from her sport because … of a natural advantage. Well, I will put it below.
Again that chemical soup means more than if it dangles or not.
Lastly how big a problem is it anyway. Several red state governors have tried to veto anti-trans sports bills because of not having a trans kids in sports in the state. One governor said there were only 4 trans kids in the state, and none played sports. So this is a made up issue to make people scared, make parents scared that their daughter is being robbed unfairly of her trophies. The fact is, these laws have made one trans boy wrestler on testosterone have to wrestle girls that struggle against him. He is much bigger and developed than they are. He doesn’t want to wrestle females, he wants to wrestle males like himself. But he was born with a vagina, a non-dangle, so he must be on the girl’s team by these laws.
Randy I am going to break this reply into to segments so it is easier for everyone to respond to. Thanks for a great comment. Hugs. Scottie
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Hi Randy. First I want to thank you for feeling safe enough here to share your assault / violation. There is nothing lucky in being introduced to or forced into sexual situations you have no understanding of or control over. At any age. A website that has helped me understand my self and actions greatly is https://malesurvivor.org/ . The site has many forums that coverall the spectrums, from abuse to current music a person may enjoy. There is something for everybody and every need. There are sections for males abused by women to tell their stories and separate sections for males abused by males. Also if you need to talk you can always talk to me offline, or write your story and post it here if that would help you as it does me. Hugs always brother.
Second part of my reply. In this one, I want to talk about bathrooms. I just watched the Majority Report crew exposed a right wing media Joe Rogan going on about a skit put on about a group mocking trans fears over bathrooms because he took it as real. Oh the horror that a man with a full beard wants to go into a female public bathroom with a mother saying a child is going to go to the bathroom in there. It was mocking, but he took it seriously. Here is what Emma said, in that bathroom the girl would have been in a stall with no one able to see them unless they tried to look over the top or crawl under the bottom. Both things that no trans person does.
Randy, Nan and you talk about being comfortable in a bathroom. Think of every boy abused by men and boys going into a room that has open urinals. The most comfortable I ever was in a public bathroom, including those with showers, were ones designed to be unisexual. Open to all. They had only stalls, floor to ceiling dividers, sinks in a general area. You went in, went to a stall if needed, or if there to shower used the sink then went to one of the shower stalls, found an unlocked empty one that you entered, locked, and used. There was a space in the shower for your stuff, you put them there, showered, went there, dried off, dressed and left. At no time did anyone expose themselves to others. Plus there were most of the time men and women in the main room.
I have read that new public bathrooms will be built with similar designs.
The right uses the bathrooms as a scare tactic. Men are going into the bathroom with your little daughter … be scared, be very scared. They never talk about trans boys in men’s bathrooms? Why. Dang, that should be a great fear point. Trans boys being abused by those very same men that were going to abuse their daughters in the girls bathrooms? Take your time, let it sink in. Trans boys, men, little girls. Because it doesn’t cause unreasonable fear like a little girl with a man does. And that is the goal of those pushing anti-trans stuff.
I read your links. In the one, I read this. Based on our review of this sample of sexual assault complaints, we did not find evidence of any sexual assault taking place in which a man, under the guise of being a woman or transgender, entered a women’s bathroom to commit a sexual assault or otherwise victimize women who were in the bathroom at the time during the period of January 2012 – September 2016.
The fact is no law about which bathroom a person can use has ever stopped sexual assaults by those that want to do them. That includes same sex assaults, as in male on male or straight sexual assaults male to female. As you said, Randy, most sexual assaults are by people the victim knows. But to the issue.
The anti-trans women in female bathrooms push this idea that a man could claim to be a woman and go into a female bathroom, then assault someone in there. Ask your self at what point a person wanting to do this has to declare themselves a woman. Is there a voice promote at the door saying to open the door, say if you are a woman to walk in? No people just enter. A person intent on sexual assault doesn’t need to claim to be a woman, they only need to walk into the room.
That is the big falsehood to these bills. They don’t stop any assaults or help, they just hurt innocent people needing to pee. I never had anyone about to hurt me, force me into a sex act, a person about to violate me sexually tell me how they identify nor state their gender. They did what they wanted, took what made them feel good. This entire trans people are scary because they are different and will hurt you badly every chance they get, they will sexually assault you or worse your little girl, your daughter is a really old trope.
When have we heard that before? Yes, black men can’t be in white spaces because they will rape and impregnate our pure white women. Emmett Till a 14 year old was tortured and murdered because of this fear, the false claim he whistled at a white woman was enough to get a group of white men to abduct him, torture him, beat him to death, and all to protect the white women from sexual assault.
This same fear them, fear them type of talk led to the idea of banning gay men from men’s bathrooms, men’s locker rooms, and even from jobs near kids like teachers. Because of course all the gay men want to do is sexually abuse boys, that is the only reason they live / exist. Same as those trans women needing to pee. Same as those black people wanting to use the same schools, places to eat, places to sleep … all they want is a chance to sexual assault the white / straight girl / boy.
Remember the right wing talking points about same-sex marriage? It was not discrimination because gay people could just do what straight people did and marry someone of the opposite sex. In other words just do as we straight people do, act like us, and everyone is happy … well ok just we straight people are but that is OK, that is the point.
I hope I made the point. If you buy into any of the right wing talking points and pushed false issues on trans people, simply look at what hate campaigns people against any change in society did in the past. It makes clear what this is entirely about. They don’t want society to change or advance. It doesn’t matter who else gets hurt, as long as they can stay comfortable in the public social space they always have been in. It is about them being happy and comfortable, no matter how it hurts others who are suffering because they can’t be equal as who they truly are. Hugs. Scottie
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