I am stunned at how fast and how forceful some religious groups are pushing their demand that everyone live by their church dictates instead of civil law. In One state the pride parade is barely going to be allowed to have a permit after 20 people showed up to push religious reasons to deny the parade permit. They claimed their bible / religious views took priority to any other considerations because of their god / Satan. These people a decade ago wouldn’t have been listened to yet now seem to be calling the shots. In Florida Christian religious views trump all other considerations at town council / legislative meetings. I know in the south a lot of Christian privilege is assumed and there is little you can do right now against it, but it used to never take over the state legislatures. It is terrifying to see how entitled these Christians Taliban are in regulating other people’s personal lives, what other people’s kids can read, what other people’s kids can watch. These religious Taliban are not about keeping their freedoms they are about taking away other people’s freedoms, they are not about being to worship as they believe but about forcing others to follow their churches dictates in what is right or wrong. Hugs
Florida Politics reports:
Blistering Democratic opposition couldn’t stop legislation that criminalizes allowing minors into adult shows with “lewd” content from winning Senate approval. The Senate legislation, advancing on a 28-12 party-line vote, doesn’t mention “drag shows.” But (SB 1438) that Clay Yarborough, sponsored, is largely aimed at stopping children from attending those shows.
It authorizes state government officials within the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR) to suspend or revoke the liquor license of any establishment that admits minors to a live, adult performance. A person who admits a child to such a show would face a first-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to $1,000 in fines and up to a year in prison.
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Democrats believe that the bill could also criminalize public drag shows such as those at outdoor Pride events.
Sen. Clay Yarborough [photo above] first appeared on JMG in 2010, when as a member of the Jacksonville City Council he declared that gays, Muslims, and atheists should not be permitted to hold public office, otherwise God will smite the fuck out of the country. Or something.
“I would say that when I read Romans Chapter 1, I see striking resemblances between where Rome was just prior to its fall in comparison to where America is today. There are striking similarities in what we allow in our societies. Rome did not fall from an outside attack, whether it was military or otherwise. It fell from within because it was morally bankrupt. And I believe we have been treading in that area for a while and the more that we do not embrace that which honors the Lord, we shouldn’t be surprised if the blessings do not continue on our land.”
“Adult shows with lewd content”?????
Every public beach in Florida has Adult shows with lewd content everyday.
You should see the parade of young women at the LA Fitness locations here in the Fort Lauderdale area. The women are dressed like something out of Mad Max, strips of clothing barely covering their tits, hanging out all over the place. I don’t object to what they are doing. I’m objecting to the application of one standard at LA Fitness (nothing…kids can go) and drag shows (aunties in drag are being banned).
So vague…how will the law hold in court?
It may take years for the law to be ruled unconstitutional but before that happens, many people lives and careers will be ruined.
It may take years for the law to be ruled unconstitutional but before that happens, many people lives and careers will be ruined.
Which is the point, to drive LGBT people into the closet and out of society.
GOP: We must protect the children!!!!!!!!!!!
Note:
Since November 1, 2022:
Church leaders arrested for sexually abusing children or owning child porn: 124.
Drag queens arrested for sexually abusing children or owning child porn: 0.
And the leading cause of kids dying is guns.
You’re confused, Caitlin. It’s only embryos/fetuses (esp White ones in ‘merka) that are sacred. After they’re born, fuhgettabout ’em! AR-15 target practice the lot of the lil’ rugrats!
The party of individual responsibility and parents’ rights proves yet again that it is neither. The nannyfascist state strikes again.
Catholic mass is basically a drag show, so it is outlawed too, right?
LOL! I am (was) a WASP, but I went to a Catholic college. First time I had (yes, mandated due to course work) to go to mass, I kept thinking, these men are in dresses. With filigree, embroidery, and really ornate hats.
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Scottie, if an 18 y/o or older wants to attend a drag show, have at it. I really could care less. As soon as minors are involved, that crosses all boundaries of what is in my opinion age-appropriate.
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Hello Ragnarsbhut. Why. Have you been to a drag show? Do you know what they are? Or do you go on what you hear on right wing misinformation media. Drag is simply dress up for adults. So you give what you think drag is! By the way do you see any women running around in pants, that is drag dude. You better stop them right away!
Examples of drag: RuPaul has an entire TV series on guys dressed in drag. Robin Williams as Mrs. Doubtfire in Mrs. Doubtfire. Neil Patrick Harris as Hedwig Robinson in the Broadway adaptation of Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Johnny Depp as Bon Bon/Lt. Victor in Before Night Falls. Tom Hanks as Buffy in Bosom Buddies. Glenn Close as Albert Nobbs in Albert Nobbs. ( yes women dressing as a man is called drag also. Gael Garcia Bernal as Zahara in Bad Education. Nathan Lane as Albert in The Birdcage. Willem Dafoe as Paul Smecker in The Boondock Saints. Hilary Swank as Brandon Teena in Boys Don’t Cry. Cillian Murphy as Patricia “Kitten” Braden in Breakfast on Pluto. Cate Blanchett as Jude Quinn in I’m Not There. Cameron Diaz as Natalie Cook, Lucy Liu as Alex Munday, and Drew Barrymore as Dylan Sanders in Charlie’s Angeles . Do you need more, as I have hundreds. It is simply dressing as is socially considered the clothing worn by a different gender Hugs.
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Scottie, point stipulated.
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Hello Ragnarsbhut. Does that mean you have changed your mind about drag? And drag being acceptable in society? I still want you to tell me what you think drag is? Hugs
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Scottie, I personally have no interest in drag shows or that lifestyle. I believe that people should be free to partake in that if they want. Just leave children alone and don’t involve them at in that situation.
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Again Ragnarsbhut why? You are making a statement based on your judgment that kids shouldn’t see drag. Tell me why? If you believe it is wrong, say why it is wrong.
Just leave children alone? What is harmful about drag for children. Want to know where kids are molested, it is not drag shows but churches! That is a statistical fact! So let’s ban kids from churches and tell clergy to leave kids alone. As for parents who want their kids to go to church, sorry we are passing a law to protect kids from sexualization, so no parent can take their kids to church. That is what you are saying about drag without any data of fact of harm to back up your opinion.
So again what is the harm for kids to see drag, which is only people dressed up in costume of the clothing normally worn by the other gender stereotype. Hugs
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Scottie, I am trying to demonstrate the absurdity of people who have an irrational fear of drag shows. While I get the fact that it is a form attire, I am not really into that sort of thing myself.
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I meant form of attire.
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Hello Ragnarsbhut. Sorry friend, I don’t believe you. You say you are trying to demonstrate the absurdity of people who have an irrational fear of drag shows, but you promoted that very irrational fear with your comment to “just leave the kids out of it.”
I asked you a question I want an answer to. Why do you think drag is inappropriate for children to see, to be at a performance of, and that includes drag queen story hours.
Please answer the question. Why is drag wrong for children to see. Which goes back to my question of what do you think drag is? Ragnarsbhut you either can answer the questions I ask or you are simply repeating what you hear on right wing media but are not able to process it. Hugs
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Scottie, to clarify, I have an objection to it if the kids are part of anything related to drag shows if it is brought into a public school type environment. If a kid sees it on TV but under supervision of the parent(s) at the time, I would not have an issue with that per se.
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This is one time when I agree with you, rag.
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Hello Nan. Read my reply to Ragnarsbhut please and answer the same questions. BTW if you wear pants in public that is dressing in drag, better not let anyone under 18 see you. Hugs
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No, Scottie. A women in pants is not being in “drag.” Even you defined it appropriately — it is simply dressing as is socially considered the clothing worn by a different gender.” Drag, on the other hand, is more commonly defined as a type of entertainment where people –generally MEN– dress up and perform. Cross-dressing and drag are not synonymous.
I have nothing against drag shows. While I’ve never been to one, I’ve seen portrayals in movies and TV (especially in some sitcoms) — and I’m sure children have seen them on TV as well. However, I do not feel it is appropriate for children under the age of 18 to attend a live one. Perhaps that’s speaking as a parent, but it’s how I feel.
Of course the Repugs are making a big deal of this … and thus it becomes a “talking point” and people start taking sides. But that’s the modus operandi for them … to stir up as much dissension as possible — and conveniently ignore the REAL issues that people are facing today.
BTW, you need to take the time to read my latest post: “A Call to Battle.”
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Hello Nan. Yes women wearing pants is drag. Drag is wearing clothing normally assigned to the other gender. By the people who are pushing this nonsense, men wear pants and women wear dresses. Nan cross-dressing has historically been and is now considered drag. Read the anti-drag bills coming out on this from red states. I looked it up and the majority of the search answers said people who dressed in drag were gay and cross dressers just dressed in other gender clothing. So if your husband wears a dress it is just cross-dressing, but if I wear one it is drag? WTF! I assume you can see how that makes no sense.
Why? Just what do you think is happening in a public setting? Let’s go back to Drag Queen story hours? Have you seen the pictures? Happy kids enjoying a story being read to them by a person in dress up costumes in a public place with the parents and other adults present. Just what about this is harmful to children? To other drag I again ask why you think a guy dressed as Dolly Parton is somehow harmful to kids? What if they are dressed up as Captain Jack Sparrow the pirate? Is that also harmful to kids?
I grant as a parent you have a right to not let your child go to a drag show, I wouldn’t let mine anywhere near a church. But in red states what is happening is because of a huge media push by right wing Christian conservatives to make drag a sexual thing, which it is not, so drag in public is being outlawed. Which is a pretext for outlawing trans people dressing as the gender they identify with. And Nan that gets us back to you wearing pants. Slippery slope isn’t it. Hugs
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No, Scottie. Both the Merriam-Webster and the Cambridge Dictionaries say that the wearing of clothes designed for the opposite sex is cross-dressing. Drag is defined by the Cambridge Dictionary as: “the activity of dressing in clothes of a different gender and acting in an exaggerated way like a person of that gender, especially of a man wearing highly decorated women’s clothes, wigs (= artificial hair), jewellery, make-up, etc. as a costume and performing for entertainment.” (My emphasis.)
Now I will concede that the current political atmosphere may be combining the two terms into one (drag), but by definition, they are not the same.
And the library thing is far different than what I mean by a “drag show.” The latter is usually done in a nightclub setting and includes alcoholic beverages. “Story-hour” at a library is far, far different and I would have no problem with children being present.
I do agree the Repukes are getting carried away with all things related to “sex” to please their evangelical base. However, I think we need to separate the politicians from the average person that votes Republican because not all of them are so radical.
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Hello Nan. You are using dictionary terms that are not the current usage or what is meant by the words drag. It also is not what the republicans are trying to outlaw. The current republican attempt is to define drag as burlesque and that is what you are doing. A burlesque is a literary, dramatic or musical work intended to cause laughter by caricaturing the manner or spirit of serious works, or by ludicrous treatment of their subjects. The word derives from the Italian burlesco, which, in turn, is derived from the Italian burla – a joke, ridicule or mockery.
This is the common usage of drag. A female impersonator. Yes no doubt it can be exaggerated. But have you seen the Kardashians? Have you seen Dolly Parton? Seriously big boobed females with a select body type that a lot of females want to look like.
wikipedia.org
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Drag_show
What you mean by drag show is not what is being regulated. That already has laws and regulations to it. It is called adult entertainment and / or sex work. To use your definitions, what is being regulated is cross-dressing, in that these republicans do not want kids exposed to men dressed as women. Yes family friendly events where men or women are dressed in the gender stereotypical clothing of the other gender are what is being targeted. And where does that come from? Yes the bible.
The people behind these new laws have learned from the abortion bounty hunter laws, the anti-woke laws, the don’t say gay laws, to keep the language vague so it can be used as anything they want at the time. It is similar to the anti-loitering laws some cities have that mean just being somewhere if the police needed to charge you with something and you were not doing a crime. These laws turned out to be unconstitutional but took decades to get through the courts. DeathSantis and the republicans in Florida want to cause fear of what may be meant by the law to keep librarians self censoring beyond the actual written words of the bill. How often in the don’t say gay bill debate do you hear the words “that is not in the bill”. But that is what these laws basically do and are designed to do. The goal. To outlaw trans people or what you call cross dressers. Hugs
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Since the majority (or so it seems) of people who are upset about this issue believe the bible is behind them, they should be held to the scripture you posted!!! Seems only fair, doesn’t it?
As for “drag” and “cross-dressing,” perhaps it’s because I personally would not like someone telling me I’m dressing in “drag” when I wear my jeans — no matter how “technically” correct it might be. Probably has to do with the terminology I grew up with.
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Hello Nan. Sorry for the lateness of the reply. I doubt trying to hold bible thumpers to any bible verses would work. They have trained themselves to look around them, to reinterpret their meaning, and to outright change what the verses say to give them justification for their own beliefs.
Did you see my post https://scottiesplaytime.com/2023/05/21/texas-house-advances-bill-to-criminalize-drag-shows/? Did you see how the law defined drag? But then the republicans give away the game by throwing in the words abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful. Already in some of these deeply red states with republican super majority they are instituting dress codes in government offices which stipulate modesty requirements for women along with no pants even for female staff members. How long until in public they say any man wearing “female clothing” abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful? That is what has passed in Florida recently calling it a bill to criminlize drag. Then how long until they try to bring back 1950s standards of dress for women? If you don’t think it could happen, we gays / trans never thought we would be fighting to keep the social acceptance we have gained and the acceptance of gay / trans kids at schools would be ripped away in such a short two years. Really it went from baby steps last year to this year full out banning us from many public places. To think in one year gay kids would be forced back into the closet and being open targets again is stunning. So yes public shaming of how women are dressed could happen soon. Hugs
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Nan, I believe that people should leave each other alone in regards to matters such as this. As long as minors are not involved, then it really does not matter to me otherwise.
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Hello Nan. Also see my reply to Randy. Thanks. Hugs
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Nan, finally we agree on something.
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Hi All;
I can’t agree.
I would say, for the most part, I agree that there are some age appropriate things. Like health care. Education. Spirituality and wonder. Art and music. Sports and a love of physical fitness. Safety. Yet, if a child’s parent, who we allow to make religious, educational, medical, familial, regional, and a whole host of other choices decides that they want that child to see men, some dressed as women, put on a show, why do I or you and in this case, the state get to decide for them now that is too far? Why?
Men dressed as women acting a role has been going on since before William Shakespeare.
I guess I’m back to that saying: If you don’t agree with taking a child to a drag show, don’t take your child to a drag show.
The thing we have to remember is that the political group manipulating this issue are the same who have just denied increasing the school lunch program yet gave themselves one. Yes. Manipulating.
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I second this, Blundersonword.
I will add that I’ve seen adult drag talent perform during a regional pageant. Those performances and pageants are held in adult venues. I’ve also seen a couple of drag kiddie shows. Those tend to be in libraries, coffee shops, etc. Now maybe in some states the twain can meet, but most states already limit the times during which a minor can be in a place that serves alcohol, which is where you’d find adult drag performances.
There is a lot of fear of the unknown, I guess.
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Hello Ali. Please see my reply to Randy (Blundersonword) and I agree with you. Drag is nothing more than dressing in the clothing normally associated with a different gender based on stereotypical gender roles. That is all it is. But those standards change with time. Before the 1920s both boys and girls dressed in dresses until about 10 to 11 or puberty. Pink used to be for boys and blue for girls (I am glad that changed as my fav color is blue) Look at photos / paintings of the founding fathers. They were not dressed as 1950s dads.
But these people are conflating these events deliberately Ali. They want the idea of a person dressing differently than they demand to be seen as deviant and sick. That forces everyone back into their preferred mode of society and puts their feelings of what is acceptable in society as law. It is all about demonizing others to make everyone to follow their church view of what society should be. All of it comes down to they hate the changes in public society since the 1950s, including civil rights, and want to force all of us back in time to where they felt comfortable and in charge. Hugs
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Hello Randy. Hello Randy my brother! I agree and love what you wrote but you along with the others here are missing something. What are these drag laws based in and who is pushing them? First who is pushing these laws and claiming it is for the protection of children. The religious right. Those who claim trans is against god’s laws. Those who claim their bibles say don’t dress in the clothing of other genders. But why would it matter what clothing is worn? Because men are supreme and the leaders according to their god, and women are lessor beings subservient to those same men, again on the orders of their male god. If a man dresses as a woman it messes with the idea of men being supreme in charge over women some, but boy, if a woman dresses as a man … they simply ignore it as silly and put her in her place. Is the woman taking a man’s authority? Is a woman now to be treated as a man with automatic authority over others? How can men stay in charge if they let women dress as men? In their minds it is only dress up for women to dress as men but a male giving up their male authority to dress as a woman is something they must fight as hard as possible. Because if a man can be a woman then men don’t have an automatic right of superiority, do they?
Drag is based on gender stereotypes about clothing. Which makes no sense as clothing standards change over time constantly. Think of the founding fathers who were men dressed in frilly shirts, short pants with leggings, wigs, and even makeup. Look at the pictures, those guys would be arrested in Tenn and Florida for doing drag. Have you seen the pictures of white Jesus? Always in a dress. Or some of the fancy dress of some clergy? Oh you say those are robes. But what is a robe but a style of dress?
The people currently against drag are the same people trying to force the US back to the 1950s social acceptance of gender roles and what was allowed in public. Also the attack on drag is a substitute for attacks on trans. We have all seen the drag queen story hour pictures and we see nothing sexual about it. These people on the right are forcing that to be sexual in the minds of people to accuse all trans people of being sexual deviants. Hugs
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I’d like to add, as a human female who says you can take my blue jeans from my cold, dead hands, that women’s wear will be in the legislative mix very soon. So many states have passed some approval for school vouchers, now. That’s state money going to private and home schools. In many states that do that, there are dress codes for students in private schools. Those codes require pant/shorts for boys, skirts for girls. I went to elementary school when that was the law for all schools, as a quick by-the-by. Many of us here probably did that.
Back to these days, again: many private schools are requiring such dress codes, and the churches do it, too. Males can wear basically whatever they want except dresses, females must wear skirts. Likely no one wants to get me started on all the instructions issued to females for preparing to leave their house.
Scottie’s big picture is, all these things will happen, if we continue to allow this all to snowball as it is. It truly is a war preserving male privilege, mostly for white males. And apparently to me, mean and stupid ones.
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Thank you for sharing Ali. As you say it is a race to the past, a regressive past where some people felt more empowered and comfortable. Where what was just assumed at church was done in public. But those days were only good for a select few, not the public or society at large. The civil rights era was about expanding rights and public accommodation for as many as possible, and removing needless restrictions. I never understood the rage against the 1960s sexual revolution as … well we all know that was publicly shown was not what sometimes happened behind closed doors. Once when I sat on a counter as an 8 or 9 yr old pouring drinks for card playing adults as often happened in our home, I heard my adoptive father say he never could understand men being attracted to minors. My adoptive mother was pregnant with his child when she was 14, and he was 19. Again public morals were not what was happening at home. So I really don’t understand the minority in a minority of the Republican Party that is desperately trying to recreate the failed days of the 1950s or 1920s.
By the way, when they come for your jeans, know I will be fighting beside you for your right to wear them. Until these people go by the mixed cloth bit in the bible themselves, they have nothing to say to the rest of us. Hugs
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Scottie, while I personally have no issue with drag shows, how they work should only be explained by parents to their children, as any other places, e.g. a school setting, would be considered in my opinion an inappropriate environment for said purpose. Some kids may grasp the concept immediately and some may require more time to figure it out.
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Hello Ragnarsbhut. What do you mean by how they work? In Florida any man wearing what is normally thought of as female attire is in drag. The republican right wing religious legislators are trying to enshrine in law the dress standards of the 1950s.
Have you seen the pictures of drag queen story hours? Guys in costume reading to kids, so what is to explain about how it works?
Drag to entertain is guys dressing as females in flashy costumes singing songs and telling funny stories, what is to explain how it works?
What you seem to be saying, and please correct my impression if I am wrong, is you think kids need some kind of big explanation about men in dresses or skirts? Is that the how it works you think needs being explained? Why? Kids don’t care, and kids already understand playing dress up. It is only a big deal when adults freak out about cross-dressing.
What about women wearing pants, button down shirts, or suits? It is happening more often that women in business situation dress in suits. Women on TV and movies dress in traditionally men’s clothing. Do kids need that explained as to how it works?
Do you see the problem? The right has created a boogieman that did not exist by taking a simply concept of dress up and claiming it something evil, degenerate, and going to harm all the children. the republicans give away the game by throwing in the words abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful. They said that about gay people also, look up Anita Bryant and her protect the children campaign. However drag has been done forever, and on US TV since it began. Want to know how silly it has gotten with religious people terrified of men dressing up in female attire? A school recently had to cancel a field trip to see a kid’s play because the actors played both the male and female roles. One parent complained, just one, and so no child could go see the play. Yes a right wing religious person forced their religious belief on all the kids regardless of their families beliefs. Hugs
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Scottie, if the explanation is provided by a parent or legal guardian as to what happens at drag shows or that which is filmed on TV, I would have no issue with that. Any person who is not a parent or legal guardian otherwise has no business discussing that with kids in my opinion.
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Nan, I recall The Lion King originals growing up, with the first one having a reference to dressing in drag and doing the hula. I found it to be amusing in some regards, however, the dressing in drag part makes me think that people should be free to attend drag shows who are of age if they want. While I don’t necessarily think it will warp a child’s perspective on the world, I have serious objections to kids being at drag shows without the prescence of a parent or legal guardian.
Scottie, while I have never been to a drag show myself, I would find it less problematic if how it worked was explained in a controlled and appropriate settting, e.g. within the family home. If it is seen on live TV, however, in a limited capacity, I would be less disdainful of it.
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Hello Ragnarsbhut. First I want to say no kid / child is going to a drag show without an adult or other parental guardian figure, who is going to take them or pay for them to attend the event?
I am not sure that I follow you. Explain how they work? Remember drag shows normally are not sexual performances. They are men or women dressed as a different gender than assigned at birth. It is simply performers who are men dressed as women with the appropriate makeup or women dressed as men with again make up preforming skits, songs, or comedy routines. While some are designed for adult audiences, those are clearly advertised as such and are in venues like nightclubs that already have age limits. Those performances are already covered by obscenity laws that prevent kids from legally attending. Drag is nothing more than any performance you might see at a club, at a theater, on TV, and again it is simply people wearing clothing that now religious fundamentalist conservative politicians don’t feel certain people should wear because it offends them that a man might act like a woman or a woman might act as a man. This is a made up outrage so that these same right wing fundamentalist conservative politicians can attack trans people. Think of why you never heard any complaints about drag until the last few years, when it is and has been a very popular form of entertainment done by many famous people.
If you really want to see drag, look up the movie Victor/Victoria It is a famous movie about a struggling female soprano who finds work playing a male female impersonator, but it complicates her personal life. And it is PG like most drag shows.
Have you never seen any boy or man dress up as a woman for Halloween? Or a girl dress up a hobo? That is the very definition of drag. Hugs
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Scottie, that makes sense.
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Thank you. Just remember not to buy the hype, rage, and fear pushed by right media on drag, especially on drag queen story hours. Most of it is driven by a desire to get some voters upset enough to vote for the republicans and against democrats. It has very little truth involved. It pays to dig deeper. Hugs
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Scottie, without the blessing or knowledge of the parents, I do not believe that drag shows should be allowed in a public school environment. The only exception is if there are kids whose parent(s) may have an inclination toward that lifestyle.
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Hello Ragnarsbhut. Why? You tell me in your own words what you think is happening and why you are against them. What is this lifestyle you think drag is? Hugs
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Scottie, I know that dressing in drag is basically a form of attire. I just believe that parents are better suited to explain what happens at drag shows than anybody else.
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Again I ask you what you think happens at drag shows? I am confused as to what you think parents need to explain. Hugs
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Scottie, basically what happens there so that kids understand how drag shows work.
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Ragnarsbhut. You are just being disingenuous at this point. You keep avoiding answering what you think happens at drag shows. Really you think kids need to have a parent explain a person wearing clothing? They see people dressed every day.
How drag shows work? How does any talent show, theater production, TV show, home video skit work? How does people dressing up for Halloween work. It is people dressing up and performing for an audience. Again you seem to imply that something is happening other than people dressed in costume and singing songs, telling stories, making people laugh and be happy. Again drag is males dressing in the hairstyles, makeup, and clothing associated with females or females dressing in the hairstyles, makeup, and clothing associated with males.
I get the feeling you believe these are strip shows where young kids get to see adults take off all their clothing, children shown genitalia of adults, and children touching them. Sorry that is not drag, that is the churches, their programs and what they do to kids.
No drag performer is going to want to take their clothing off and reveal they are not a female or male they are acting as. Hugs
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Scottie, I got it.
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Ok then, tell me why or what parents have to explain please. Do you object to drag queen story hour programs? Hugs
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Scottie, not at all. I just believe that it should be entirely at the discretion of any parent(s) to wxplain to the kid(s) what happens at drag shows.
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I keep asking you the question! What happens that parents need to explain! Answer please! Hugs
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Scottie, the reasons that people may be into that lifestyle is a good place to start. A follow up might be how the history of drag as attire came into existence. What causes people to be into that as a form of entertainment is another thing so that kids understand what it really means when they hear the terminology drag queen..
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OK ragnarsbhut. I thought that is your issue, but you refused to say it. Admit it, you think drag performers are trans people! Now we can deal with your prejudice and ignorance.
By dogs that love gravy dude if you had just googled the history of drag, you would have gotten all the answers to your questions and seen how misinformed you have been! Why have you been dancing around admitting this every time I explained just what drag was?
Buckle up friend, I am about to share some facts with you that will blow your mind and show you how your right wing media / church buddies have been lying to you.
Drag, dressing in drag is not trans! Has nothing to do with sexual identity nor with sexual preference. It is not a lifestyle. It is simply performance art, theater, acting. Most drag queens are straight cis males. Yes that is true. I have known some. Look up the term transvestite. Some gay guys do it, but I have never heard of a trans person doing it. Mostly drag performers act like it is Halloween or a big show every time they do it. They love the attention and admiration, like all actors do.
Trans people are not drag queens, drag queens are pretending. People who do drag are performing. It is a costume they put on and take off. People who are trans really are the gender they were not assigned at birth and act it. Every day, every minute of their lives they dress and act the gender they identify as. They do not do it as a public spectacle as a performance. It is who they are. They are the opposite of drag as they don’t want people to think they are not the gender they present, they want to blend in. They want to live their lives as the gender they are, the one they identify as with no one hassling them.
I figured that was your hang-up. Could have been addressed a long time ago if you had been honest. Any more questions like these, just be honest.
History of drag. Ever hear of a famous guy called William Shakespeare?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zbkmkmn
Drag began out of necessity, although that’s not to say its participants didn’t enjoy it. When Shakespearean theater was shiny and new in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, the stage wasn’t just a place of entertainment. It had strong links to the church and with that came rules that only men could tread the boards. If that play you were in featured a few female roles, then it was up to a couple of the men in the cast to dress as members of the opposite sex so the story didn’t suffer. The word ‘drag’ is believed to have theatrical origins too. The dresses men wore to play female characters would drag along the floor.
Yes Ragnarsbhut drag started out of satisfying the Christian church that women wouldn’t be on theater stages. You really could have had this answer long ago if you had just asked me or googled it.
Drag started because women were not allowed to be in stage productions so men had to play women. That is where “men in drag” comes from.
I don’t know if your last question you asked you still need answered but for those following along you asked. “What causes people to be into that as a form of entertainment is another thing so that kids understand what it really means when they hear the terminology drag queen”
Performing in front of people to get likes and applauded. To hear people clap. In internet terms, to get clicks and views. It is a performance. It is an act. Some people really like making kids laugh, they like making kids happy. Ever hear of clowns at birthday parties? Are they sexualizing kids? Do kids need that explained to them why people dress as clowns for them? Do kids need to have that explained to them? Why do people dress up as pirates or hobos? Both sexes / genders to it? It is for fun.
Drag Queen story hour is a person in a costume reading a story and making it funny. Kids laugh and have a great time. Unless some right wing thugs show up and scare everyone.
It is not sexual, it has nothing to do with being transgender. Now that you have been honest about your issues and I have answered your questions, do me the courtesy after you read this to admit you were wrong in your assumptions. Next time just be honest, we could have avoided a lot of needless typing / reading back and forth. Hugs
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Perhaps it boils down to a case of semantics. I agree that drag queen shows are exactly what you describe, Scottie. But in the restricted world of the hyper religious, to call it a “Drag Queen Story Hour” in a school is simply too offensive. I would venture to say if it was called “Make Believe Story Hour” it might go over better.
BTW, do you know if these folks are dressing in drag to fit the STORY or are they just doing it because it feels good? That may be the dividing line.
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Hello Nan. I don’t like or agree to change a name just to appease religious bigots because that won’t solve their problem. The name is not what they object to, but what they claim their god doesn’t like. They object to men dressing as women and women wearing the fabrics of men. Just like the books they want banned and kept from kids, because god says it is wrong. Plus now right wing media along with religious leaders have convinced their followers that drag equals a lewd strip show where performers pole dance or such, while showing genitalia to young kids. Sorry, they are thinking Hooters, which the right seems to think large breasted women pushing their boobs out as far as possible is great for young kids.
You might want to google the drag queen story hour images. I think most people think of a man in a dress, a little makeup, and earrings reading to kids. Basically they think a woman with a beard. Some of these performers have wild awesome costumes that must take money to assemble and time to get into. Some are more female looking, some look like Johnny Depp’s Jack Sparrow costume. The drag part is part of the performance, a part of their gimmick. Does it feel good? I guess so, if not why do it if it doesn’t make you happy to have it part of your act? The important part is it is family friendly, family safe. No Hooter style boobs, no g-strings. Remember parents or grandparents bring their kids to these things, little kids are not taking themselves to them. Hugs
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