These people are driven and a serious threat to democracy. They demand a theocracy of their god and a government enforcing their church doctrines. No non-Christians may be tolerated. Look at what they say, we don’t want government in our churches but we should be in government, and there is no separation of church and state. Plus how would these people react if a Muslim group did this, a Hindu church, or even a Jewish temple? They would lose their minds. Somewhere in the past the atheist stopped fighting these people and let them use their endless supply of church members contributions to push their goals ever closer to taking over. We must again fight back, get the people to understand the risk and what is true in history. These people will rewrite every thing to prove their lies. Hugs.
“There is no separation between church and state,” Republican Party of Texas Chair Abraham George said at a small rally with clergy and GOP lawmakers. “We don’t want the government in our churches, but we should be in the government.”
Polling from the Public Religion Research Institute found that more than half of Republicans adhere to or sympathize with pillars of Christian nationalism, including that the U.S. should be a strictly Christian nation. Of those respondents, roughly half supported having an authoritarian leader who maintains Christian dominance in society. Experts have also found strong correlations between Christian nationalist beliefs and opposition to immigration, racial justice and religious diversity.
One of his movement’s ultimate goals, he said Tuesday, is to draw a lawsuit that they can eventually take to the U.S. Supreme Court, which they believe will ultimately overturn the prohibition and unleash a new wave of conservative, Christian activism.
One Christian nationalism expert said Tuesday’s events showed how normalized the ideology has become among broad swaths of the Republican Party. “I’ve argued for years that, in the Trump era, charismatic evangelicals have displaced the old guard of the (Religious Right) and brought in a new, more aggressive evangelical politics,” Matthew Taylor, a senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, & Jewish Studies, wrote on social media. “That was on vivid display in (Texas) today.”
Taylor has spent much of his career focused on the New Apostolic Reformation, a movement of “charismatic” Christians who often weave prophecy, “spiritual warfare” and demonology into their calls for Christians to take control over all spheres of society.
Abraham George’s comments are the latest sign of the state GOP’s embrace of fundamentalist ideologies that seek to center public life around their faith.
Landon Schott, pastor of Mercy Culture, leads a worship service in the state Capitol extension auditorium on the first day of the 2025 state legislative session in Austin on Tuesday, Jan. 14, 2025. Credit: Eli Hartman/The Texas Tribune
Two hours after Rep. Dustin Burrows of Lubbock was elected Texas House speaker on Tuesday, Christian worshippers gathered in a Capitol meeting room to prepare for “spiritual war” and protect lawmakers from demonic forces.
“Pray for the fear of the Lord to come into this place,” Landon Schott intoned from the stage as a small band played acoustic hymns and 100 or so faithful laid their hands on walls, hoping to bless the room and ward off evil spirits. “Let the fear of the Lord return to Austin. In Jesus’ name.”
Schott is the pastor of Mercy Culture Church in Fort Worth, and was among the Christian leaders who spent Tuesday rallying fellow believers ahead of a legislative session that they hope will further codify their conservative religious views into law. He was joined in those efforts by a throng of pastors and Republican leaders, who throughout the day claimed that church-state separation isn’t real, called progressive Christians heretics, or vowed to weed out “cowardly” clergy who refuse to politick from the pulpit.
“There is no separation between church and state,” Republican Party of Texas Chair Abraham George said at a small rally with clergy and GOP lawmakers. “We don’t want the government in our churches, but we should be in the government.”
George’s comments — delivered some-50 yards from another rally that focused on interfaith unity — are the latest sign of the Texas GOP’s embrace of fundamentalist ideologies that seek to center public life around their faith by claiming church-state separation is a myth or that America’s founding was God-ordained, and its laws should thus favor conservative Christianity.
Polling from the Public Religion Research Institute found that more than half of Republicans adhere to or sympathize with pillars of Christian nationalism, including that the U.S. should be a strictly Christian nation. Of those respondents, roughly half supported having an authoritarian leader who maintains Christian dominance in society. Experts have also found strong correlations between Christian nationalist beliefs and opposition to immigration, racial justice and religious diversity.
Worshippers link hands in prayer while attending a worship service led by a variety of religious groups from across Texas, including My God Votes, in the Capitol extension auditorium. Credit: Eli Hartman/The Texas Tribune
The party’s embrace of those separate-but-overlapping ideologies has come as it has increasingly aligned with far-right megadonors Tim Dunn and Farris Wilks, two West Texas oil billionaires who have sought to cleanse the Texas GOP of moderate voices and push their hardline religious views. At the same time, some Republican lawmakers have adopted an increasingly existential view of politics that paints opponents — unwitting or not — as part of a concerted effort to destroy Christianity, including by normalizing LGBTQ+ acceptance or undermining “traditional” family structures.
Such claims have been used as the pretext for a litany of bills and reforms that would further infuse Christianity into public life. During the 2023 legislative session, lawmakers passed a law allowing unlicensed chaplains to supplant counselors in public schools; sought to weaken Texas’ constitutional ban on providing taxpayer money to religious institutions, a core plank of the school voucher movement; and almost passed a bill that would require the Ten Commandments to be posted in public school classrooms.
Lawmakers are expected to continue that trend during this year’s legislative session (the Ten Commandments bill already has been refiled). And pastors, emboldened by President Donald Trump’s reelection and the ultraconservative U.S. Supreme Court, said Tuesday that they believe they have their best shot yet to topple the church-state wall and the Johnson Amendment, a federal rule that prohibits churches from engaging in overt political activity.
Rick Scarborough has spent decades working to do exactly that. A former Southern Baptist pastor in Pearland, he has become a leader in a movement that seeks to mobilize pastors and undermine the Johnson Amendment, which he says is toothless but has been used by “cowardly” pastors who don’t want to engage in politics. The result, he said, has been an ineffectual Texas Legislature that has often cowered to the LGBTQ+ community and their heretical, progressive Christian allies. (Texas lawmakers have passed dozens of anti-LGBTQ+ bills in recent years, overriding opposition from a large majority of Democrats).
One of his movement’s ultimate goals, he said Tuesday, is to draw a lawsuit that they can eventually take to the U.S. Supreme Court, which they believe will ultimately overturn the prohibition and unleash a new wave of conservative, Christian activism.
“The Johnson Amendment is nothing but a fig leaf to cover the fear that pastors already have,” he said in an interview after praying over GOP lawmakers on the Capitol lawn. “Most pastors are so fearful of their reputation that they won’t stand, and they don’t know how much God will defend them if they get out there and stand up and speak fearlessly.”
Few congregations have taken up Scarborough’s mantle like Mercy Culture Church, the Fort Worth congregation that Schott pastors. In recent years, Mercy Culture has become an epicenter of Texas’ fundamentalist Christian movement, helping push the state and local GOP further right, demonizing their detractors — Schott has called critics of the church “warlocks” and “witches,” and claimed Christians can’t vote for Democrats — and rallying voters behind church leaders as they campaign for public office. Among the church’s pastors is Rep. Nate Schatzline, who was elected to the Texas House in 2022 and has since continued to frame his political life as part of broader, spiritual struggle.
“This isn’t a physical battle,” Schatzline said in a Tuesday interview. “It’s not a political battle we’re in. We really believe this is a spiritual battle.”
Hours later, Schatzline kicked off the worship session at the Capitol with a bold promise.
“We’re going to give this space back to the Holy Spirit,” he said. “We give You this room. … The 89th Legislative session is Yours, Lord. The members of this body are Yours, Lord. This building belongs to You, Jesus.”
One Christian nationalism expert said Tuesday’s events showed how normalized the ideology has become among broad swaths of the Republican Party. “I’ve argued for years that, in the Trump era, charismatic evangelicals have displaced the old guard of the (Religious Right) and brought in a new, more aggressive evangelical politics,” Matthew Taylor, a senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, & Jewish Studies, wrote on social media. “That was on vivid display in (Texas) today.”
Taylor has spent much of his career focused on the New Apostolic Reformation, a movement of “charismatic” Christians who often weave prophecy, “spiritual warfare” and demonology into their calls for Christians to take control over all spheres of society.
Members of that movement played central roles in the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection, and were well-represented at the Texas Capitol on Tuesday: Schatzline and Mercy Culture have deep ties to the New Apostolic Reformation, as does Brandon Burden, a Frisco pastor who led a caravan of buses and activists to pressure lawmakers ahead of the House speaker vote. In January 2021, he told his congregants to keep weapons loaded for what he prophesied would be a national blackout orchestrated to keep Trump out of office.
Burden repeatedly appeared alongside Republican officials on Tuesday. Minutes after George, the Texas GOP chair, claimed that church-state separation doesn’t exist, Burden led a group of pastors and activists as they prayed over a small group of GOP lawmakers. “We take charge and authority of the 89th legislative session,” he prayed. “We, the people of God, called by the name of Jesus and covered in the blood of the lamb, have been given spiritual jurisdiction over the affairs of men.”
At the Texas Capitol, Christian worshippers are blessing the walls of a hearing room to protect lawmakers from spiritual forces and the “Jezebel” spirit.
“Pray for the fear of the Lord to come into this place,” says MercyCulture pastor Landon Schott. pic.twitter.com/1NAIOYkRtC
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They have it about half right: government should stay out of churches, and Christians can be in government, but as people. No religion should be in government. And if a person is claiming to be Christian while in government, they should remember first that Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, to render unto God what is God’s, and to Love Our Freakin’ Neighbors No Exceptions. If a person is in government behaving as a true Christian, there is nothing wrong with that, but they will actually be including people, making sure people eat and have roofs over their heads where they can sleep, etc.
But actual religion should never be government, and actual Christianity does not allow for that. So this person is at best mistaken. I’d say worse about them, but I’m writing about actual Christianity, and I try to be one myself, so…
Hi Ali. I agree that religious people should be in government and even elected office, but as people wanting to use their abilities and talents to further the government’s job of providing for the welfare of the people, secure the common defense to safeguard the country, and handle all the tasks that come with running a country of this size. No one should be there to push their personal faith, personal code of life on everyone. Not those who believe nor those who don’t. No one person has the answer for how everyone should live their life. Most of us struggle to live our lives decently, well most people not maga. I know it is hard enough to guide myself through life as my husband and I try to guide each other. I shutter at the thought that I would think myself so grand to try to force 337 million people to live as I do by my own personal code. And even if the most egocentric cult leader got into power … well one did but he worships money … but say a fanatical religious leader got into power, how do you know what is in the minds of all the people, how do you do mind control. You could force everyone into churches I guess but you can’t force them to hear the word.
Ali I really question and wonder at these people like these ones in the post. Demanding a theocracy and the enforcing their church doctrine on everyone. Do they realize what they are asking for? They want to live that way, according to those rules. Why or how do they think they have a right in any way to force others to do what they don’t want? I don’t understand it. Will they force us to all eat the same foods, drink the same drinks, look don’t these people understand history? Prohibition failed and that was religious driven. What do you think? I really never thought of the enormity of what they wanted until now. They would have to put church fanatics in everyone’s house as spies and enforcers. Hugs
Exactly what I was saying in my comment. I think it’s going to take everyone to help out the FFRF and Americans United for Separation of Church and State to do their work. I don’t know what else to suggest.
Every one of them taking god’s name in vain claiming to know the mind of god, claiming to speak for god, lying, bearing false witness for god, are committing a top-ten sin, several of them
Hi Ten Bears. I think some of them think they are in hell now having to live with and near all us sinners and abominations to their god. As I said to Ali, I just get their mind set. How or why to they think they get to dictate how other people think or act when they raise the most objections to even accepting that LGBTQ+ exist, they have to use a trans child’s pronouns, or that other peoples kids get to read books with LGBTQ+ characters or themes. That infuriates them that other people can live as they wish. But if they were to be asked to wear masks or limit in person worship sessions to prevent a spread of an uncontrolled virus … they claim persecution because people want to tell them how they must behave. The disconnect in their minds on this shocks me. I don’t get it. Hugs
Noooo, man: I was too nice a guy for my own damned good. You know the Hell I’ve been to
Was pondering it this morning, about being a runaway but that wasn’t exactly right. More like one day I had enough of that shit and just walked away. Didn’t look back. Till today …
Hi Ten Bears. I still think even the Christian hell would be scared of you. You have that much force of personality, of someone who has been there, been through it, and been over it but ready to ignite those fires again when needed. Hugs
They have it about half right: government should stay out of churches, and Christians can be in government, but as people. No religion should be in government. And if a person is claiming to be Christian while in government, they should remember first that Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, to render unto God what is God’s, and to Love Our Freakin’ Neighbors No Exceptions. If a person is in government behaving as a true Christian, there is nothing wrong with that, but they will actually be including people, making sure people eat and have roofs over their heads where they can sleep, etc.
But actual religion should never be government, and actual Christianity does not allow for that. So this person is at best mistaken. I’d say worse about them, but I’m writing about actual Christianity, and I try to be one myself, so…
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Hi Ali. I agree that religious people should be in government and even elected office, but as people wanting to use their abilities and talents to further the government’s job of providing for the welfare of the people, secure the common defense to safeguard the country, and handle all the tasks that come with running a country of this size. No one should be there to push their personal faith, personal code of life on everyone. Not those who believe nor those who don’t. No one person has the answer for how everyone should live their life. Most of us struggle to live our lives decently, well most people not maga. I know it is hard enough to guide myself through life as my husband and I try to guide each other. I shutter at the thought that I would think myself so grand to try to force 337 million people to live as I do by my own personal code. And even if the most egocentric cult leader got into power … well one did but he worships money … but say a fanatical religious leader got into power, how do you know what is in the minds of all the people, how do you do mind control. You could force everyone into churches I guess but you can’t force them to hear the word.
Ali I really question and wonder at these people like these ones in the post. Demanding a theocracy and the enforcing their church doctrine on everyone. Do they realize what they are asking for? They want to live that way, according to those rules. Why or how do they think they have a right in any way to force others to do what they don’t want? I don’t understand it. Will they force us to all eat the same foods, drink the same drinks, look don’t these people understand history? Prohibition failed and that was religious driven. What do you think? I really never thought of the enormity of what they wanted until now. They would have to put church fanatics in everyone’s house as spies and enforcers. Hugs
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Exactly what I was saying in my comment. I think it’s going to take everyone to help out the FFRF and Americans United for Separation of Church and State to do their work. I don’t know what else to suggest.
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Hi Ali. Yes, we just tend to word things somewhat differently, but we have the same point most times it seems. Hugs
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Every one of them taking god’s name in vain claiming to know the mind of god, claiming to speak for god, lying, bearing false witness for god, are committing a top-ten sin, several of them
They’re all going to hell
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Hi Ten Bears. I think some of them think they are in hell now having to live with and near all us sinners and abominations to their god. As I said to Ali, I just get their mind set. How or why to they think they get to dictate how other people think or act when they raise the most objections to even accepting that LGBTQ+ exist, they have to use a trans child’s pronouns, or that other peoples kids get to read books with LGBTQ+ characters or themes. That infuriates them that other people can live as they wish. But if they were to be asked to wear masks or limit in person worship sessions to prevent a spread of an uncontrolled virus … they claim persecution because people want to tell them how they must behave. The disconnect in their minds on this shocks me. I don’t get it. Hugs
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They have it exactly backwards. I’ve been to Hell, didn’t want me. Hell is living around all them
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Hi Ten Bears. Were they afraid you would beat the shit out of them and take over, changing the place forever? Hugs
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Noooo, man: I was too nice a guy for my own damned good. You know the Hell I’ve been to
Was pondering it this morning, about being a runaway but that wasn’t exactly right. More like one day I had enough of that shit and just walked away. Didn’t look back. Till today …
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Hi Ten Bears. I still think even the Christian hell would be scared of you. You have that much force of personality, of someone who has been there, been through it, and been over it but ready to ignite those fires again when needed. Hugs
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