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this is not right
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Hi Judy. I agree it is incredibly not right. As he said it reduces her to an incubator. It is total misogyny and disrespect for women. Hugs
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“Dangerous dystopian nightmare” captures this zealot-made tragedy quite well.
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Hi Annie. I agree. I hate to see what deeper depths these people will wish for women. They really want complete control over female bodies, to have them subservient to do the every desire males have. They want women to be totally dependent on them financially. Hugs
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I still can’t get over the fact that just a small percentage of voting/not voting white women could have changed all this, Scottie. It’s beyond my comprehension…
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Hi Annie. I struggle to understand why any LGBTQ+ voted for tRump but I hear many gay, bi, and lesbian people did. Totally suicidal. Hugs
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Right, Scottie—similarly inexplicable.
Hugs back atcha.
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That’s being attributed to GA’s heartbeat law. That said, it behooves women to check on their states’s laws; when I was pregnant in the mid-90s, I got an end of life directive made up, precisely to avoid this very scenario, and to not leave my husband with bills and a motherless child. I understood we were all protected by that. Later in the pregnancy, a nurse advised me that I was far enough along (7.5 months) that my directive would be overridden. I don’t know if that was true, or if she was “one of them”, but I try to remind people to check on their states’s laws since then.
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Hi Ali. I agree with you people should check their local laws. And the nurse was correct your directive was in conflict with the law which made it unenforceable. The law always wins out. Ron and I have directives that give each other rights to make all decisions for each other if the other can’t, including financial and medical. However Florida got all religious and made a fake follow your conscious law allowing the doctors to refuse to treat gay people and gay couples as humans. Hugs
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Well, I did get my directive from a local lawyer, who understood what I was trying to avoid at that time. I was concerned my stepmother would butt in, and that my husband wouldn’t be able to deny her, or worse, would be disabled in the same auto accident/occurrence. So, I was certain it would hold. I even called the law office after that appt., and was reassured. That was then, and lots of amendments and new laws have been enacted by now. I’m thankful this concern is no longer a concern for me!
I don’t know what to tell you about navigating FL law; holy cow it’s been bad for years, intensifying every year.
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Hi Ali. Thank you and you are correct it gets worse every year. Back in 2010 to 2014 I worked in the ICUs of a major hospital. I mostly worked the surgical ICU. The ICUs had to have doctors that specialized in ventilator patients to oversee each patient and the hospital contracted with one pulmonary group for all four ICUs. Sadly the group they contracted to oversee the ICU patients were very Christian religious. The two senior doctors bragged about their month long vacations to the Vatican, their close relationships with the local bishops and archbishop. They name dropped cardinals.
Every morning while I would be on the inside of the long curved desk counter doing my job, the nurses and staff from each department would gather for “rounds”. The TV shows them doing rounds from room to room, and in Open Heart they did for the heart doctors but the ICU doctors still did it at the desk so they had to do two rounds. Not in the rest of the ICUs. They were held at the desk and as a patient’s case was discussed the family was escorted up to the desk then after it was over they would be taken away and the next family for the next patient would be brought to the desk.
Well the most senior partner got the case of a gay man in a same sex relationship. They were rather well off and locally connected. The patient was very sick in our ICU. They had legally binding paper work drawn up by attorneys. But the highly fundamentalist catholic Christian doctor refused to honor those legal papers, refused to let the other partner come to the desk. It got so bad after the first day that he was caught calling the patient’s family members trying to get one to challenge the gay partner’s rights to represent the patient. The second day in the afternoon legal stepped in and told the doctor he couldn’t do that, then ordered the doctor to accept the gay partner’s legal rights and respect their relationship. End of story right? Wrong.
No patient can be in the ICU without a ventilator qualified doctor to oversee their case. This highly religious super Christian doctor listened to legal tell him that he couldn’t contact the patient’s family and had to respect the rights of the gay couple, he then wrote an order on a chart page, dropped it in front of me whose job was to put it in the computer and the chart and he left the ICU. The order simply said, I remove myself from this case. It left us with a patient with no overseeing doctor who legally couldn’t be in the ICU and was too ill to move. The hospital scrambled to find a qualified doctor to take the case cold. That is why I say your documents might not be respected due to state laws. That same Christian doctor refused to speak to me knowing I was gay, he told the nurses what to tell me. Or simply dropped the orders in front of me and walked away. Today in Florida the new laws would let him do this regardless of the legal paperwork. Hugs
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That was prescient of you at that time, ali. And scary to think that nurse may have invented her advice—almost as scary as this reality.
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The antichoicers in KS will say anything to discourage women from doing anything other than carrying a pregnancy until delivery, no matter what. She is a kind woman, other than that, and seemed to be a good nurse. I’m glad she was off duty when I went in to deliver, though!
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This all reminds me of the Terri Schiavo case so long ago. My wife and I created our Advance Directives then and told each other what we wanted or accept. Hugs
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Hi Michael. So did Ron and I. Only in our case the state we live in is trying to invalidate them by laws saying if a doctor doesn’t want to respect a gay couple’s wishes because his Christian god tells him gays are evil, he can disregard all the legal paperwork and do as he pleases to them. We … my husband and I are losing the hard fought for and won rights as a couple being seeing them be rescinded by Christian nationalist that think we shouldn’t exist much less have the same rights or equality to them in life that they do. It is worse than in the 1980s when we fought for those rights. We got them. Now we are watching them being eroded and ripped away replaced by Christian doctrines not all Christians agree with. Hugs
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