Kirk: Black-Centered Education Has No Place In Schools

Kirk is a well know republican racist bigot.   So he thinks a white centered white straight history is the only history to be taught.    Hugs

“I am enthusiastically behind Ron DeSantis saying that Black-centered education has no place in Florida schools, obviously. It’s bigoted from its premise.

“First of all, Western culture is better and it’s a thoughtcrime to say it out loud. Number two, Blacks were sold into slavery by other Blacks. Can’t say that out loud, Thomas Sowell wrote that in great detail.

“Number three, when Blacks were given opportunities to return home, they did not want to return home. Blacks didn’t want to leave.

“I mean obviously, slavery is reprehensible and terrible and awful, but there’s a lot more to that story than people would ever want to acknowledge and admit, which is more Blacks have come to America voluntarily than ever came in the slave trade.

“More Blacks have come to America voluntarily since the 1980s, whether it be from West Africa, from the Caribbean, than ever came in the slave trade.” – Charlie Kirk, on yesterday’s show.

https://www.mediamatters.org/media/3999444/embed/embed

 

It doesn’t matter who sold them into slavery, and it doesn’t make it alright if black tribes sold members of other black tribes into slavery. SLAVERY IS WRONG. Also, the history courses are pretty much WHITE-CENTRIC. Why is THAT OK? Why shouldn’t black AND white children learn about black history? It’s as much a part of our nation’s history as white history. Go pop your zits in private, Charlie, and leave the rest of us alone.

“Number three, when Blacks were given opportunities to return home, they did not want to return home. Blacks didn’t want to leave.

WTF? Charlie, were first generation slaves offered the chance to return to their homelands? I think not. If this even happened it would have been generations later. That would be like someone offering anyone of us whose families have been here for generations the opportunity to return to the motherland. Ones family and life are now here. The lunacy of these bigots drives me crazy.

It’s how Liberia was setup, but they had to be able to pay to return there. It wasn’t a ‘free’ trip. So that’s why most Black people wouldn’t have ‘wanted’ to leave. Not to mention that people don’t like forced migrations… Once moved, why move again?

 

They were Americans – why would they want to be deported, rather than being treated as fellow Americans?

If someone wanted to “return” me to Scotland, I might take them up on it. I’d love to live where it rains most of the time, everything is deep fried, and men wear skirts to special events.

But if they just wanted to “return” me to a random chunk of Europe carved out as a dumping ground for anyone of European descent, where a non-English language was spoken by the locals and all the customs were foreign, that would be a completely different matter.

And that’s the kind of “return” that was offered to African Americans after the War of Secession.

Real History! It explains a lot.

And where in hell was “Home?” It’s not like they kept records of where each slave was originally from, with an address to send them “back” to.

Kirk’s argument is essentially racist– that all Blacks are the same “people” and that the whole of Africa is their only “home”.

 

And this is why Black History needs to be taught in the schools.

Yep!

If Charlie Kirk had any awareness he’d realize that this is a total self own

Somebody kidnap his cracker ass and sell him off into slavery.

First of all, Western culture is better

 

I guess black Americans like MLK, Fredrick Douglas, and Harriet Tubman weren’t “western.”

Now Sarah, you know he means “white” when he says “western culture”.

Right?! Redlining, segregation, and a racially bounded GI bill weren’t “western.”

I’ve made it a rule to not listen to dropouts tell me what to be ought included or excluded from school curriculum. I only listen to dropouts talking about school when they’re talking about ways to keep people in school.

Charlie Kirk is the result of someone feeding Ben Shapiro after midnight.

 

 

FL Defends Ban On African-American History Course

CNN reports:

Florida rejected a proposed Advanced Placement course focused on African American Studies because it included study of topics like the Movement for Black Lives, Black feminism and reparations, according to a list of concerns provided to CNN on Friday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office.

The state also said the course framework for the study of reparations – the argument to compensate Black Americans for slavery and other historical atrocities and oppressive acts – includes “no critical perspective or balancing opinion in this lesson.”

The state Department of Education on January 12 informed the College Board, the organization that oversees the Advanced Placement program, that the course violated state law and rejected its inclusion in Florida schools.

Read the full article.

 

Interpreted: you can’t teach about racism unless you teach that racism could be fine.

I wrote up an acceptable black history curriculum for Florida:

– Once upon a time, there was a kind of embarrassing practice where some people were forced to do jobs — even though it wasn’t as bad as some people like to say. And the same thing existed in Africa too, so it wasn’t the Americans’ fault.

– All of the divinely-inspired Founding Fathers wanted to end it.

– Eventually, the North invaded the South, and the South fought back valiantly. But the North overwhelmed it by throwing overwhelming, sacrificed bodies of soldiers at the brave defenders — who only wanted to be able to have their own laws and culture without woke, federal interference.

– Then the North told all those workers they didn’t have jobs anymore.

-The North tried to make those people serve in government for about 10 years, but everyone agreed that it was a disaster, and things went back to normal.

– Those people liked to call themselves “colored.” Some of them had some good qualities like Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass, who were both Republicans and loved guns. They opposed the Ku Klux Klan, which was created by the Democrat Party.

– Eventually, there was a guy named George Washington Carver. He invented peanut butter. He was also a Republican.

– Not much happened for a long time. Eventually there was the great Martin Luther King, Jr. He was a Republican too. He taught everyone that it is wrong to talk, or even think, about skin color.

– Then Obama became president and brought Democrat racism back.

“FL Defends Ban On African-American History Course”

It’s fucking indefensible… period.

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When your political base is old, low info white people…

aka.
Poorly educated.

 

Even his hand gestures are Trumpian…

 

They don’t look all that old in the pictures. Don’t blame old people, blame racists.

If you’re talking about the pic at the top of the thread, a bunch of those are minors who have been GROOMED.

It isn’t African American Studies if it includes balancing perspectives from the Klan.

It isn’t LGBT studies if it includes balancing perspectives from the Westboro Baptist Church

It isn’t Native American studies if it includes balancing perspectives from George Armstrong Custer

It isn’t Women’s Studies if it includes balancing perspectives from known grabber-in-chief Donald Trump.

The truth is the truth no matter how many people deny it. A lie is still a lie no matter how many people believe it. I’m paraphrasing someone there.

DeSantis with a sign that says Freedom from Indoctrination? That’s some Orwellian shit right there.

‘The course neglects to mention that in the Civil War there were very fine people on both sides.’

So tell me, what’s the ‘balancing opinion’ on slavery?
Maybe, “it wasn’t all bad”?

Or ‘there were some good Nazis’.
The drift towards revisionist history must be crushed.

Neo-Confederates in the US have been pushing their bizarre ,revisionist history of the Civil War and slavery for as long as I can remember.. This is the first tine a state government has turned those lies into an official state sanctioned history..

The thing is, every revisionist lie about slavery, and the cause of the Civil War they tell is contradicted by contemporary documents from the Civil War: the articles of session by the various states, the constitution of the Confederacy, the Congressional record of the Confederacy, public speeches by confederates, such as the infamous Cornerstone Speech.

(2) I wonder how long it will be before they decide to give Holocaust-deniers “equal time.”

If the media examined what happened in the Nazi murder camps using the “both sides” approach they’ve adopted today, they wouldn’t denounce the Holocaust as evil. They’d tell us what happened and then insist on getting the Nazis’ “point of view.”

This story just hit it home to me how really frightening floriduh & the US is becoming.

A previous draft version of the concerns sent to CNN by DeSantis’ office included an objection to the study of “The Black Power Movement and The Black Panther Party.” The draft version asserted that “The Black Panther Party (BPP) was based on the ideology of Marxism- Leninism. Goal of the BPP was to fundamentally change or overthrow the American government.” However, in an updated version of the state’s concerns, the references to the Black Panther Party were removed and replaced with an objection to the study of “Black Queer Studies.”

There is NOTHING in education, especially higher education, that students should not be exposed to so they have a good knowledge of WHAT IT IS. That is what education is about, for Christ’s sake, not keeping people in ignorance! Any student of history, certainly of U.S. history, should know what the Black Panther Party was. Any high school student should be familiar with what it was, should know what Marxist-Leninism is! And why should they not be made familiar with contributions made to society by gay people in the Black community?!

All the other AP classes that addressed different ethnic and cultural aspects were allowed to continue however.

If we can’t learn it…
Then did it ever exist?

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Florida is southern/rebel state. The south hasn’t changed at the government level.

 

Doesn’t seem to have changed much st the ordinary people/voters level.

This is worth your time to read.

THE CASE FOR REPARATIONS

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.
By Ta-Nehisi Coates

https://www.theatlantic.com…

Once again, a fuck you to anyone in FL who screams about how horrible socialism is while you cheer shit like this.

I am just embarrassed this is happening in 2023. Beyond. Sickened, too.

Flagrant racism. That’s our GOP. Just disgusting bigots at their core.

 

I went to university at one of NYC’s city colleges and it was possible to major in religion. In fact it is possible to major in religion at many public universities. I probably disagree with much of what is taught in thise departments, but I would never approve of the state banning the classes. Which is just another example of how the right wing engages in cancel culture and stifling free speech. Yet the media would have us believe the left engages in it.

People who go to religious seminaries often emerge questioning their former religious beliefs and even becoming atheists. Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

Let’s talk about Elvis helping us see the future….

Quick update on me before the video that has information that everyone should hear.   I hurt so bad right now I can only stand a few minutes before the pain is so bad I either have to sit or fall.   Of course it is better earlier when I first get up by noon or 1 PM I can barely get up and go to the bathroom before the pain is so severe I am in danger of falling down.    But if I sit the pain builds up in the upper part of my back instead of the lower part so again I have to move.   Mostly right now it seems I get about 3 hours up at most and then 2 hours laying down.   When I take enough medication to help cover the pain which lately has been the maximum of my medications, the next day I am sick to my stomach and have nausea issues.  Think of it like being on a drunken night out at the bars, and how you would feel the next day.   That lasts until I get enough medication back in my system again, and then if I take the maximum again I am sick the next day.    It is a cycle I cannot stand.   Be pain controlled in the afternoon and rest of the day while befuddled with confusion of the medications and the next morning wake up sick with a rolling stomach and nausea that either makes me vomit (three times yesterday) or just feel like I am going to vomit such as today when I did not vomit but felt I could until about 1 PM.   I have an MRI on the 25th.   I am losing the good from the last set of spine shots in the bottom of my spine, so tomorrow I need to call the pain clinic and see if they can adjust my appointment to get another set of spine epidurals for all three sections.   Right now I am spending as much time laying down as I am upright.   However this morning and yesterday morning Ron and I did take a short walk as we used to before the hurricane.   It is much shorter than the other walks were because my back gives out and his hip starts to bother him too much to do a longer one.    If the new spine shots don’t fix this, then I need to change medications to fentanyl or something as strong.   The doctor tells me that fentanyl is much stronger than the medications I am currently taking.  One last thing.   Randy my wonderful brother has tried to get me to look at getting an over the bedside table like hospitals use and using a couple of the old laptops we have or at least the bedroom TV and a laptop to read and answer comments which I bitch constantly I am missing.    Today Ron and I have started talking about it.   It will depend on what the doctors can do.   Hugs

Randy sent me some thought provoking tweets.

You should go to the actual tweet and read the comments.   Hugs

Why do kids need guns made for them?   They seem to do well with adult guns at shooting people.  But seriously everyone understands that kids emotional control and reasoning ability are limited.   Some adults never grow out of those limitations.  Again the comments are all over the map.  Hugs

I just started to follow this guy above on YouTube.   He has a veery reasonable take on things and is easy to understand.   Hugs

https://www.youtube.com/@TizzyEnt

The story below is amazing because it took kids to figure out something the adults should have seem a long time ago.   Grand kids.   Hugs

Let’s talk about “just asking questions”….

Drunk TRESPASSER Enjoys Full Benefit Of His White Privilege (Video)

This police interaction is so different from what we’re used to seeing in these sorts of videos. Leave a comment with your thoughts below!

New Arkansas Bill Could Ban White Chicks, Mrs. Doubtfire & Mulan?

Republican wants to expand definition of “child pornography” to make it easier to ban LGBTQ+ books

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/01/republican-wants-expand-definition-child-pornography-make-easier-ban-lgbtq-books/

I cannot get over the fact that there are people today in 2023 that think just the mention of LGBTQ+ or any depiction of LGBTQ+ characters in books or movies is obscene.   And by this womans definition of “Child Pornography” any depiction of sex in any media even if it only depicts adults is classified as child porn.   Why are right wingers so afraid of sex between consenting adults and why won’t they accept the science that says kids are born / know their sexual orientation or gender identity.  Young people don’t read a book about LGBTQ+ people or watch a movie with an LGBTQ+ character suddenly becoming gay or trans.  If that was the case every kid who watched cartoons would be trans and gay just from watching Bugs Bunny, who while being associated with the male gender often dressed as a woman and kissed a lot of guys.   This is like people who believe in a flat earth or in young earth creationism, it defies all the science and advancement in medical science.    Hugs

 
November ‎7, ‎2019 Santa Cruz, California - Various books by different authors for sale at Bookshop Santa Cruz
Photo: Shutterstock

A freshman lawmaker from Wyoming has already begun efforts to remove LGBTQ+ books for youth from both school and public libraries in the state.

Republican Rep.-elect Jeanette Ward has introduced House Bill 87, which expands the definition of “child pornography” to mean “any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, cartoon, drawing, computer or computer generated image or picture, whether or not made or produced by electronic, mechanical or other means, or any other form of depiction of explicit sexual conduct.”

The bill also repeals a law that gives exemptions for those who “possess or disseminate obscene material” for activities related to schools, universities, colleges, museums, and public libraries.

Based on this definition, many books that provide sexual health information to youth would be banned, along with several books that help LGBTQ+ youth learn about their identities.

“Not requiring tax payers to pay for obscenity is reasonable and just,” Ward told the Casper Star Tribune. “These books will continue to be available in the marketplace, but not paid for by taxpayer dollars. Reasonable people everywhere recognize these books as obscene and reasonable people do not want their money used to subsidize obscenity.”

According to the Tribune, Ward, herself, has passionately advocated for the removal of two LGBTQ+ books from a high school library in her district – speaking at multiple school board meetings against the acclaimed graphic memoir Gender Queer by Maia Kobabe and a trans resource guide called Trans Bodies, Trans Selves.

Ward also helped members of the anti-LGBTQ+ group Moms for Liberty get elected to the Natrona County school board. Moms for Liberty members have been running for school board positions across the country as part of the right-wing effort to shift schools toward a more conservative ideology.

On boards where Moms for Liberty is in control, curricula is likely to exclude LGBTQ+-inclusive and anti-racist education.

In Florida, anti-LGBTQ+ Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, himself, helped Moms for Liberty members get elected to local school boards. The newly seated members repaid DeSantis by ousting school officials who dared defy his orders against school mask mandates during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Ward’s bill in Wyoming currently has 13 Republic cosponsors. If it passes, it will go into effect on July 1st.

 

Florida lawmakers consider extending Don’t Say Gay law up to sixth grade

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/01/florida-lawmakers-consider-extending-dont-say-gay-law-sixth-grade/

What the right is claiming is any discussion of gay, trans, or same sex couples is sexualizing kids.    Even talking about the existence of same sex families and of gay / trans kids in class is harmful to kids.   It again is the Russian model and it is easier to pass regressive restrictions on society if you claim it is to protect kids.   We all want to protect kids, but the truth is the right only wants to protect straight white Christian kids.  The rest are going to hell anyway and might even have demons in them.   This will not stop until they get what they want, a regressive white straight Christian state that enforces their view of religious values.   Rufo has admitted the goal is to make New College over in the image of a deeply conservative Christian school, and use it as the model for all education systems.   And they are coming for the entire country unless people wake up and fight against them now.  Oh and the point is to indoctrinate the kids and then the public in the deeply right republican mode of how society must be without exceptions.   the indoctrination they claim they are fight the left over is inclusion, diversity, and tolerance of others.   That is something the right is fighting with all they have.  They cannot have acceptance or even tolerance of those different from themselves.    We must not let them win this fight and become the US Taliban.    Hugs

 
Gov. Ron DeSantis
Gov. Ron DeSantisPhoto: Shutterstock

The office of Florida Gov. DeSantis (R) has confirmed that the anti-LGBTQ+ governor is supportive of extending the stipulations of the state’s Don’t Say Gay law – known formally as the Parental Rights in Education Act.

Right now, the law bans discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity up to third grade, and a staffer for the state’s Senate President Kathleen Passidomo (R) told The Daily Mail that lawmakers are thinking about introducing legislation to expand the law up to sixth grade.

In a press conference in December, Passidomo expanded on this, saying that she doesn’t think she’d “be supportive of high school because kids in high school are, hopefully, a little more mature, or at least they should be, but you know, the middle school, maybe go up to 6th grade or something like that.”

DeSantis Press Secretary Bryan Griffin then said that “The governor would certainly consider the merits of such a bill in final form if it comes to his desk as a product of the forthcoming legislation session.”

Griffin said DeSantis often expresses his belief that “the purpose of our education system is to educate kids, not indoctrinate kids.”

In addition to banning classroom instruction on LGBTQ+ issues up to third grade, the law as it currently stands also requires in vague terms that discussions on the topic in older grades be “developmentally appropriate.”

Instead of defining those terms, the bill allows parents to sue schools if they believe the law was violated.

DeSantis’s support for increasing the age range for the Don’t Say Gay law is not a surprise, as he has made it clear he is virulently opposed to protecting LGBTQ+ students.

In December, it was revealed that DeSantis helped members of the anti-LGBTQ+ group Moms for Liberty get elected to local school boards in his state.

An educational anti-censorship expert says this development is part of DeSantis’ plan to shift his state’s schools toward a conservative ideology. With Moms for Liberty in control, curricula will exclude LGBTQ+-inclusive and anti-racist education.

And more recently, DeSantis appointed the far-right anti-LGBTQ+ activist Christopher Rufo to the board of trustees of the New College of Florida – a school with a reputation for being progressive and queer-friendly.

Rufo told the New York Times the board is planning a “top-down restructuring” of the school that will involve designing “a new core curriculum from scratch.”

“If we can take this high-risk, high-reward gambit and turn it into a victory,” he said, “we’re going to see conservative state legislators starting to reconquer public institutions all over the United States.”

 

Florida Universities Are Renaming Their Courses

Yet the right says the democrats are the ones indoctrinating students.   These are upper levels of schooling, college and universities, that they are removing any talk of equality, racism, and so much more.   Professors having to scrub their courses and presentations of anything that might upset the ruler / dictator DeathSantis.   Imagine this country wide.   Talk about the Taliban or moral / vice police.  This is stunning and worse it is not getting any national attention or scrutiny.   It is scary how fascist the state of Florida has become in several short years.  With DeathSantis making Florida a maga white Christian paradise the state is being flooded with intolerant people who won’t accept any social advance since the 1850s.  Plus notice the drive is to make a public school be just like a conservative Christian college.   Hugs

 

The Orlando Sentinel reports:

Yovanna Pineda, hired more than a decade ago to teach Latin American history at the University of Central Florida, rebranded one of her signature courses last fall. Striking references to “dictatorships” and “human rights” from the title, she decided to simply call her class “History of South America.”

Pineda said many of her colleagues are making similar changes, either because they fear blowback from state leaders who say they are trying to eliminate “indoctrination” from university campuses or because they don’t want the hassle of additional scrutiny.

DeSantis continued his campaign last week, appointing far-right activist Christopher Rufo to the Board of Trustees at New College of Florida. Rufo is best known for launching a national campaign against critical race theory. Rufo told The New York Times he and his new colleagues seek to transform New College into a public version of Michigan’s Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school.

Read the full article. That’s Rufo standing appropriately on the far-right in the screenshot above.

zheraan hour ago

“Freedom from indoctrination”

Double-speak, much?

Ninja0980a few seconds from now

If you want to see true hypocrisy, look no further then Cuban Republicans in FL who scream about how evil socialism and Castro are while applauding everything DeSantis does.
They hate socialism but love fascism.

zhera Ragnar Lothbrokan hour ago

It’s terrifying! I fear for you Americans.

JoeMyGodModan hour ago

Like openly gay Florida state Rep. Carlos Smith (seen above), I am a graduate of UCF, which is now the nation’s largest public university by enrollment.

jeffg166 clayan hour ago

Accreditation may just become a problem for Florida schools as they try to muzzle thinking.

TrollopeReader jeffg16629 minutes ago

aren’t accreditations done by regional groups? So as FL / GA / the Deep South grow less “tolerant” the agency will just go along?

Jay Silversmithan hour ago

The Grievance On Parade party.

heleninedinburgh2 hours ago edited

So the ‘academic freedom’ they’re so loudly in favour of just means the ability of professors to use slurs and misgender their students without being talked to by HR.
I mean we knew that, but nice to see it actually being confirmed in real time.

weshlovrcman hour ago

In the Fascist State of Florida, the remaking of education continues on course. Henceforth, all institutions of learning will be used to groom children into fascism and eliminate anything that does not support/agree with fascist theory.

J.Martindale2 hours ago

“Freedom from indoctrination” by stifling free speech. The irony of it all!

J.Martindalean hour ago

What I don’t understand is why the ACLU or some other organization hasn’t brought suit against the governor for violation of the First Amendment. This is exactly what the amendment was designed to prohibit: governmental interference with free speech.

bambinoitaliano2 hours ago

Why even send your children to Florida universities at this point. Soon none of the institution live up to the normal standard of operation. Moron Death Sentence is hell bend on turning Florida into a shit hole state.

TexasBoy2 hours ago edited

What good is college if they can’t present alternative views and stimulate the students analytical thinking to make up their own minds.

This is what stimulates creativity, abstract views, and new inventions to improve everyones lives.

Republicans….taking us back to the Middle Ages without the need for a flux capacitor.

Melissia TexasBoyan hour ago

Simple.

If they cannot stimulate the students’ minds, then they shall be indoctrination centers for capitalism.

There is no such thing as an apolitical education, it either serves to liberate men or make them slaves.

J.Martindale2 hours ago

And the administrations of these schools are unable to protect academic freedom for their professors because of fear of retribution and firing. DeSantis is Big Brother.

JT2 hours ago

“A History of Our Lord and Savior DeSantis”

John Tan hour ago

Imagine living in a state where you can get in trouble for criticizing dictators in a classroom lecture.

Leftyan hour ago edited

He is scary evil. Dog help us if when he runs for president.

What, me worry?an hour ago

Welcome to 1984 and Newspeak. Double-plus good!

Frankly, I can hardly wait to flush this timeline down the Memory Hole.

TexasBoy2 hours ago edited

All public educators, at all grade levels, should simply walk out. There is no way Florida would be able to replace every single teacher and college professor in the state. The federal government would be forced to step in.