Responding to an argument about gay marriage

Let’s talk about SCOTUS being asked to take rights from 26 million Americans….

Overturning gay marriage ban and adding LGBTQ protections just got harder. Find out why.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/09/gop-splits-issue-to-ax-ohio-same-sex-marriage-ban-add-lgbtq-protections/84504795007/

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  • Ohio Republicans split the Ohio Equal Rights Amendment into two separate ballot issues.
  • One issue addresses overturning Ohio’s same-sex marriage ban, while the other expands anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ+ individuals.
  • This move requires proponents to collect double the signatures or sue the Ohio Ballot Board.

Ohio Republicans added another hurdle for proponents of a measure to overturn Ohio’s dormant ban on same-sex marriage and expand anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ residents.

In a party-line vote, Ohio Ballot Board divided the Ohio Equal Rights Amendment into two issues: one to overturn a 2004 vote that defined marriage as between one man and one woman and another that would prohibit state and local government from discriminating against more than a dozen protected groups, including transgender Ohioans.

To make the ballot, proponents will either have to collect double the number of signatures to get both proposals approved or sue the Ohio Ballot Board to overturn its decision. Backers are eyeing the 2026 ballot at the earliest, said Lis Regula, a member of Ohio Equal Rights’ leadership committee.

During the July 9 meeting, the ballot campaign’s attorney Corey Colombo argued that the proposed constitutional amendment was one issue because it encompassed equal rights for all Ohioans.

People gather for the 52nd Cincinnati Pride Parade, Saturday, June 28, 2025, in Downtown Cincinnati.

People gather for the 52nd Cincinnati Pride Parade, Saturday, June 28, 2025, in Downtown Cincinnati.

But Republicans contended that transgender issues and marriage equality are two different things with two different levels of support from voters.

While Ohioans might support marriage between any two people in the Ohio Constitution, “they may not want to support creating 12 new protected classes under a bunch of different circumstances,” said Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who leads the Ohio Ballot Board.

Rep. Terrence Upchurch, D-Cleveland, said Republicans divided the measure because of politics. “It’s one issue. It’s cut and dry.”

“There’s definitely political will for using trans people to divide Ohioans,” Regula said. “The hopeful side of me appreciates that they are recognizing the support for same-sex marriage. That’s great. We’ve made progress. We still have progress to make.”

What is the Ohio Equal Rights Amendment?

If approved by voters, the Ohio Equal Rights Amendment would prohibit state and local government from discriminating based on: “race, color, creed or religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression regardless of sex assigned at birth, pregnancy status, genetic information, disease status, age, disability, recovery status, familial status, ancestry, national origin or military and veteran status.”

The sweeping measure would expand the list of protected individuals far beyond the national Equal Rights Amendment, which aims to prohibit discrimination based on sex. Ohio ratified that amendment in 1974, but it has not been recognized as part of the U.S. Constitution because of missed deadlines and other disputes.

The proposal would also overturn a 2004 vote that defined marriage as between one man and one woman.

This language has been dormant since a 2015 U.S. Supreme Court decision led by Ohioan Jim Obergefell legalized gay marriage in America. As of 2023, Ohio had 22,400 same-sex married couples, according to the most recent federal census data.

“Marriage equality has been going strong now for 10 years, and the sky hasn’t fallen. Society hasn’t collapsed,” said Senate Minority Leader Nickie Antonio, D-Lakewood. “What happened is you have families who have standing, whose children can feel good and talk about their families just like every other kid at school, no matter what the configuration of their family is.”

But proponents of marriage equality worry that the Obergefell decision could be overturned by an unfriendly U.S. Supreme Court. “I think it is reasonable to believe that it is under threat,” said Regula, citing the language used in the decision overturning Roe v. Wade.

What are the arguments for and against this measure?

Supporters of the proposed constitutional amendment want to overturn Ohio laws that penalize people with HIV for donating blood or having sex without disclosing their HIV status. More recently, Republican lawmakers banned transgender students from using school bathrooms that match their gender identity and banned gender-affirming care for transgender minors. 

“Those discriminatory laws make Ohio less of a welcoming place and make it a place where fewer people are interested in coming,” Regula said.

Opponents say these are losing issues at the ballot box.

“To bring such an unpopular constitutional amendment like this forward is one, shockingly appalling, but also really dumb after Sherrod Brown just lost his Senate seat over these issues,” said Aaron Baer, president of the Center for Christian Virtues.

Republicans crafted attack ads against Brown for voting against amendments that would have stripped funding from schools and colleges that allowed transgender girls to play in women’s sports.

“I have a hard time seeing them get a lot of traction with this,” Baer said. CCV was a driving force behind the 2004 constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage in Ohio.

What happens next?

The group looking to put the Ohio ERA before voters faces a tall task. If they want voters to approve both measures, they must collect an additional 1,000 valid signatures for each proposal, go before Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost for initial approval and return to the ballot board.

Then, proponents would have to collect at least 413,487 valid signatures, or 10% of votes cast in the most recent governor’s race, for each measure or 826,974 in total. Those signatures must meet a minimum threshold in half of Ohio’s 88 counties.

“While I applaud the spirit of the work that they are trying to do, I just think it’s a real uphill battle that they’re going to be faced with,” said Antonio, the state’s first and currently only openly gay lawmaker.

For more than a decade, Antonio has repeatedly introduced the Ohio Fairness Act to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. The GOP-controlled Legislature has not moved forward on the fairness act.

Antonio said a legislative fix is still the right path for protections against LGBTQ discrimination.

“I struggle with asking the majority of people, the majority of the population, to grant equality by a vote to a marginalized group,” Antonio said. “I will continue to fight for the Ohio Fairness Act, because I think it’s the right thing to do.”

Reporter Laura A. Bischoff contributed to this article.

State government reporter Jessie Balmert can be reached at jbalmert@gannett.com or @jbalmert on X.

Thailand’s Public Health Ministry Will Allocate More Than $4 Million for Trans Health Care

https://www.them.us/story/thailand-gender-affirming-care-funding-government

Even as right wing media is desperately trying to erase the gains made by the LGBTQ+ communities here and in the UK, worldwide we see more and more acceptance for LGBTQ+ people.   Maybe there are no rabid Christians trying to force the entire country to worship their version of god based on their church doctrine.    Those people do what we first did, they got out among the people, they stood up to be counted, they were vocal on social media.  We better get back out there.  Send the best speakers to these places to correct and spewed misinformation / lies.  They wore shirts with their pride on them.  I am going to buy a few as soon as I get paid.  I need new shirts anyway.  Hugs 

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According to the The Bangkok Post these health services are expected to provide care for around 200,000 trans people.

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On the heels of legalizing same-sex marriage, Thailand’s Public Health Ministry is now allocating 145.63 million baht (roughly $4.3 million) toward funding health services, including hormone replacement therapy (HRT), for transgender citizens.

 

The Southeast Asian country’s National Health Security Board approved the funding during its 2025 budget planning. The Bangkok Post reports that these health services are expected to provide care for around 200,000 trans people out of the country’s estimated trans population of 314,808. Deputy government spokesman Anukool Pruksanusak said in a statement that the Public Health Ministry’s coverage of gender-affirming healthcare aims to reduce national health disparities by emphasizing both physical and mental healthcare for “sexually diverse individuals,” per the Bangkok Post.

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Earlier this week, thousands of queer Thai couples tied the knot as Thailand officially began recognizing marriage equality on January 22, making it the first Southeast Asian country and the third Asian country overall to do so. Under the legislation, same-sex couples are entitled to the same legal, financial, and medical rights afforded to married heterosexual couples, including inheritance and adoption rights.

“This marriage equality law marks the beginning of Thai society’s greater awareness of gender diversity, and our embrace of everyone regardless of sexual orientation, race, or religion — our affirmation that everyone is entitled to equal rights and dignity,” Prime Minister Paetongtarn Shinawatra said in a recorded statement played at a mass wedding in the Thai capital city of Bangkok on January 22, according to CNN.

Local Unitarian churches host Big Gay Wedding Day to support LGBTQ+ rights amid uncertainty

https://www.wxxinews.org/local-news/2025-01-12/local-unitarian-churches-host-big-gay-wedding-day-to-support-lgbtq-rights-amid-uncertainty

I post this to again affirm that not all Christian denominations / churches are bigoted racist jerks using their holy book to bash others they don’t like.  There are many good supportive Christians in the world as there are members of other faiths along with people of no faith.  We should call out the bigots who use their religion to control others rather than as a guide for how they live their lives.  But remember we must not blame all religious people / people of faith for the actions of those who are abusive of others.  I am a live and let live person.  I don’t want to control the lives of other people.  I can barely handle being an adult in my own life, I don’t need the job of telling everyone else how to live.  The caveat I will add to the live and let live way of life, it assumes others do not want to cause harm to others.  Society has a responsibility to protect and care for each other and protect those who need such from those who do not respect the personhood of others.   Hugs

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WXXI News | By Stephanie Ballard-Foster
Published January 12, 2025 at 10:48 AM EST
 
Beth Bloom (L) and Pat Uleskey (R), among the couples getting married Saturday in downtown Rochester.
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Beth Bloom (L) and Pat Uleskey (R), among the couples getting married Saturday in downtown Rochester.
 

Love and resilience were on full display this past weekend at the inaugural Big Gay Wedding Day, held at Rochester’s First Universalist Church.

Organized by local Unitarian Universalist congregations, including First Unitarian Church of Rochester, First Universalist Church of Rochester and the Unitarian Universalist Church of Canandaigua, the free event offered LGBTQ+ couples the opportunity to marry in a safe and affirming environment.

The event came at a time of growing concern over potential shifts in federal policies that some worry could threaten marriage equality and other LGBTQ+ protections under the incoming administration. Advocacy groups have voiced fears that hard-won rights for queer and trans individuals may be at risk.

Caliana (L) and Angelas Rolon Torres (R) who were among the couples getting married Saturday in downtown Rochester.
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Caliana (L) and Angelas Rolon Torres (R) who were among the couples getting married Saturday in downtown Rochester.

Rev. Lane-Mairead Campbell, Minister of the First Universalist Church of Rochester and one of the event’s organizers, said the importance of providing certainty and support for LGBTQ+ couples in the face of these challenges cannot be overstated.

“We’re seeing anti-transgender legislation being upheld and passed like across our country, and so this is a way that we could provide some certainty for our community and be able to provide some space to be able to get married legally, safely, quickly, inexpensively,” said Campbell.

Local vendors were on hand to donate flowers, cakes and professional photography services to create a celebratory atmosphere. After the ceremonies, couples and their supporters gathered for a reception.

Rev. Shari Halliday-Quan, Lead Minister at the First Unitarian Church and an event organizer, said her own experience demonstrates why events like this are important. In 2012, same-sex marriage was illegal in New York, so she and her now-wife planned to marry in Massachusetts, where their Unitarian Universalist congregation welcomed same-sex weddings. By the time they wed, New York had legalized same-sex marriage, allowing them to marry at home.

A wedding cake at an event in downtown Rochester on Saturday, titled, 'Big Gay Wedding.' Local vendors donated flowers, cakes, and professional photography for the event which was organized by LGBTQ+ advocates.
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A wedding cake at an event in downtown Rochester on Saturday, titled, ‘Big Gay Wedding.’ Local vendors donated flowers, cakes, and professional photography for the event which was organized by LGBTQ+ advocates.

Even though more than a decade has passed, Halliday-Quan said the need to create safe and affirming spaces for queer couples remains pressing.

“It matters deeply,” she said. “I think today, that right now, we’re helping couples secure rights that they’re worried will be taken away. We all hope that that won’t be the case. But what I want folks to know, and what I think today really celebrates and uplifts, is that queer and trans people have a place in our community, that you are loved and worthy.”

Among the couples married during the event were Caliana and Angeles Rolon Torres, who first discovered the opportunity while scrolling through Instagram. The couple, grateful for the chance to marry without financial barriers, said the event was especially meaningful after facing financial struggles.

“It means the world in that regard,” said Caliana. “The fact that we can do something like this, and there’s any organization doing something like this that enables people to get married, not only for free, but also before people are worried about it and things like that, is incredible. Like, outside of the marriage itself, the fact that this is happening is an amazing concept.”

Since the legalization of same-sex marriage in New York in 2011, more than 25,000 same-sex couples in the state have tied the knot. Nationally, there are an estimated 711,000 married same-sex couples in the United States.

Yesterday an event by the same name was held in Missouri courtesy of the local Pride organization.

The Beginning Of The End For Gay Marriage

Governor, mayor criticize Syracuse judge who refused to marry same-sex couple

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/2024/12/governor-mayor-critical-of-syracuse-judge-who-refused-to-marry-same-sex-couple.html

Another person who takes a job requiring that they serve LGBTQ+ people equally with straight people who think their religious beliefs should exempt them from the rules everyone else in the job must follow.  Because you know fundamentalist Christians are special … right?  Look if you don’t want to do the job because of your religious beliefs find a different job.  Seriously what you believe doesn’t make you special or allow you to violate your job protocols.   Just as you can’t refuse to serve black people at the lunch counter or refuse to marry mixed race people, you have to follow the laws in your state.  Plus I don’t understand the hate.  Christians don’t own marriage.  Marriage is not a religious ceremony alone.  This is even a civil setting.  Plus no church or religious figure can marry anyone legally without state permission.  It is a civil right, not a religious one.   Hugs

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Newly elected Syracuse City Court judge  Felicia Pitts Davis

Syracuse City Court judge Felicia Pitts Davis in her law library in her office. Dennis Nett | dnett@syracuse.comDennis Nett | Dnett@syracuse.com

Syracuse, N.Y. — State and local officials are criticizing a Syracuse judge who refused to marry a same-sex couple.

Gov. Kathy Hochul and Syracuse Mayor Ben Walsh issued statements after a Syracuse.com | Post Standard article revealed that City Court Judge Felicia Pitts Davis refused to officiate a wedding of two women.

The article reported that on Nov. 16 Pitts-Davis declined to marry the couple on the same day she married a heterosexual couple. The judge cited her religious beliefs as the reason she would not perform the marriage, two sources told Syracuse.com.

Another city court judge, Mary Anne Doherty, came into court to officiate the women’s marriage.
 

Related article: Syracuse judge refuses to perform marriage for same-sex couple: ‘It was real weird’

Hochul said on X that marriage equality is a fundamental right in New York. She said judges do not get to pick and choose who they will and won’t marry.
 

“No one should be subject to hate or discrimination simply because of who they love. Any judge willing to officiate a wedding in their courtroom cannot pick and choose who deserves a wedding,” Hochul said in a post on X.

The governor linked to the Syracuse.com article.
 

Mayor Ben Walsh said Syracuse is a growing city that embraces diversity and creates opportunity for all.

“Judge Pitts-Davis’ refusal to perform a wedding ceremony for a same-sex couple doesn’t align with this vision and, importantly, doesn’t comply with state law,” the mayor said in a statement.
 

The mayor called on the state Commission on Judicial Conduct to review the matter “expeditiously.”

Onondaga County Democratic Chairperson Max Ruckdeschel said in a statement that the judge’s behavior is contrary to the values of the Democratic Party and that the judge should resign.
 

“It is the role of every judge to provide equal justice under the law to every American, no matter their race, creed, or sexual orientation,” Ruckdeschel said. “A judge literally turning her back on two people looking to be married is an outrage and Judge Pitts Davis should face repercussions for her actions.”

The Democratic Party committee had previously declined to endorse Pitts Davis for city court judge, according to Ruckdeschel. And her refusing to fulfill her judicial oath “disqualifies her from any future consideration for our endorsement,” he said.
 

Pitts Davis won a primary to run on the Democratic line in the general election and was elected to office in 2020.

The Syracuse Republican Committee issued a statement Thursday calling for Pitts Davis to resign or be removed.
 

“Judge Davis’ refusal to perform a same-sex marriage is not only inexcusable and reprehensible, but is ground for immediate removal from the bench,” the statement said. “If Judge Davis has any shred of integrity or respect for the law and the people of the city of Syracuse, she should step down.”

If Pitts Davis doesn’t step down, the state Office of Court Administration should swiftly remove her from the bench “before any further damage can be done to our sacred judicial system,” the statement said.
 

CNY Pride, a local LGBTQ+ advocacy group, and City Auditor Alexander Marion put out statements Wednesday calling for Pitts Davis to resign.

CNY Pride said her actions were a “disgrace” to her position as an elected judge. They also called for a “full ethical investigation” into Pitts-Davis’ conduct since she took the bench in 2020.
 

“Judge Pitts Davis’s refusal to marry same-sex citizens of Syracuse and Onondaga County is despicable and contrary to her judicial oath,” CNY Pride said in the statement.

Marion, an LGBTQ+ elected citywide official in Syracuse government, is also calling for Pitts Davis to resign. He put out a statement saying the judge should quit or be suspended by the state Office of Court Administration.
 

Saying he was “deeply disturbed” by the Syracuse.com article, Marion said Pitts Davis was violating judicial guidelines that guard against discrimination.

State Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Brad Hoylman-Sigal also called on Pitts Davis to resign.
 

“If a judge can’t follow the law and do her job as directed by the New York state constitution and the United States Supreme Court, she should step down,” the senator told the New York Post. “I find it appalling that someone who professes to work on behalf of the public takes a piecemeal approach to their responsibility.”

Davis for nearly two weeks has not responded to repeated inquiries from Syracuse.com.
 

Under state law, judges may not unlawfully discriminate by officiating a marriage for a male-female couple, but refuse to do the same for a same-sex couple, according to a state court spokesperson, Al Baker.

The state court system is aware of the allegation and referred the matter to a state disciplinary commission, Baker told Syracuse.com.
 

For nearly two weeks, local and state court officials would not answer questions from Syracuse.com about what happened in court that day. They would not even acknowledge that any weddings happened in court that day.

On Tuesday, Baker responded with a one-sentence email: “We are aware of the allegation and have referred the matter to the State Commission on Judicial Conduct.” He again did not respond to questions about that statement.
 

Earlier, Baker emailed to Syracuse.com the judicial standard Pitts Davis appears to have violated but would not confirm she had refused to marry the same sex couple or that another judge had to step in:

“Discrimination of any kind is not tolerated by the UCS. Under New York Law, Judges are authorized, but not obligated, to perform marriages. Judges who choose to perform marriages may not unlawfully discriminate when deciding which couples they will marry.”
 

In 2011, the Marriage Equality Act was passed in the state of New York, granting same-sex couples the ability to enter into civil marriages. The act declared that marriage is a fundamental human right. In 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples.

Shawntay Davis, 33, and Niccora Davis, 29, on Tuesday confirmed to Syracuse.com | The Post-Standard they were the same-sex couple ditched by Pitts Davis and instead married by Doherty on Nov. 16.
 
 
Same-sex marriage, Syracuse

Shawntay Davis and Niccora Davis are married by Judge Mary Ann Doherty in Syracuse City Court on Nov. 16, 2024. The judge is behind the two women.Provided photograph

 

Editor’s note: This article updated on Thursday with a statement by the Syracuse Republican Committee.

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Staff writer Darian Stevenson covers breaking news, crime and public safety. Have a tip, a story idea, a question or a comment? You can reach her at dstevenson@syracuse.com

Analysis Finds Finds No Negative Effects On Straight Marriages Since Courts Legalized Same-Sex Marriage

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Axios reports:

The U.S. has not seen any negative effects on marriage, divorce or living arrangements among all couples since Massachusetts issued the first state-sanctioned, same-sex marriage licenses 20 years ago, a new analysis says.

A review of nearly 100 studies examining the consequences of same-sex marriage on multiple measures of family formation and well-being found no harm to different-sex unions, a report from RAND and UCLA found.

The analysis found that after states legalized marriage for same-sex couples, marriage numbers jumped in those states at rates greater than what could be accounted for by the new marriages of same-sex couples alone. Researchers found no consistent evidence of an increase in divorce as a consequence of legalizing marriage for same-sex couples.

Read the full article. Hate groups warned back then and continue to claim today that same-sex marriage would result in the destruction of the “natural family.” Some, such as the Liberty Counsel, have claimed that same-sex marriage laws legalized pedophilia, bestiality, and incest marriages. Last month the Liberty Counsel declared that the still unfolding 2015 Kim Davis case will soon be before the Supreme Court.

 

Fundamentalists prophesy doom to scam money out of the unwitting?

I’m shocked!

Hate is quite profitable: Valentina Gomez, Chaya Raichik, Tony Perkins, Maggie Gallagher, Anita Bryant, Candace Owens, Michelle Malkin, Rupert Murdoch, the list is endless.

If anyone’s straight cishet marriage is threatened by anyone else marrying, something is wrong with that relationship!

I’d like to see a comparison of divorce rates over the last 20 years, same sex couples vs opposite sex couples.

The Evangelicals and the hardcore Right Wing crazies are so obsessed with the sex life of LGBT people that they usually FAIL to take care of their own lives, how many of the more outspoken Anti Gay activists have been divorced, cheated on their spouse with someone else, have been caught soliciting sex from both men and women? They have nothing better to do with their sad pathetic lives than to focus on someone else’s.

 

 

I’ll never forget former Congressman Barney Frank asking one of his homophobic colleagues in the House how Frank’s gay marriage adversely affected his colleague’s marriage. The answer, of course, was silence.

He also had a grand ol’ reaction when someone asked him about non-heteros showering or taking a piss next to the straights: “What do you think has been happening for years?”

I always got a kick out of Barney Frank.

Remember whenDick Armey called him ‘Barney Fag’ and then tried to excuse it away by saying it was a ‘mispronunciation’? Barney’s reply was the best:<blockquote> “I rule out that it was an innocent mispronunciation,” said Barney Frank from his office this week, reflecting on the slur that shook the 104th Congress. “I turned to my own expert, my mother, who reports that in 59 years of marriage, no one ever introduced her as Elsie Fag.”</blockquote> https://www.nytimes.com/199…

As if that’s going to stop them from still trying to overturn Obergefell.

The GQP also said it would lead to child marriage, knowing that it was already legal in a number of states AND that the GQP is still trying to stop proposed bans on the practice.

But of course this evidence is completely meaningless because it doesnt fit the evangelical victim mindset.

Drag queen story time reading in Philadelphia sets Guinness World Record for attendance
The event, hosted by the Philadelphia Gay News and sponsored by Visit Philadelphia, saw Philadelphia drag performers reading children’s stories to 263 people, which organizers said was a first-ever Guinness World Record for such an event.