Jack Smith News From Joyce Vance

Jack Smith Speaks by Joyce Vance
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ABC reported today that the House Judiciary Committee wants to have former special counsel Jack Smith testify—behind closed doors—about investigating the Mar-a-Lago, January 6, and Donald Trump. Jim Jordan, the Ohio Republican who chairs the Committee, wants an interview by October 28. He is calling for Smith to turn over documents and communications too.

Why now? Last week, there was reporting (very unsurprising to anyone who has ever investigated a federal case) that Smith’s probe obtained phone records regarding a number of Republican lawmakers as part of the January 6 case investigation. Jordan wrote to Smith, “As the Committee continues its oversight, your testimony is necessary to understand the full extent to which the Biden-Harris Justice Department weaponized federal law enforcement.”

Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri complained that “The F.B.I. tapped my phone.” He said he’d been wiretapped.

Not so fast, though. Obtaining phone records means getting call information—that can mean which phone number called which other phone number, when, and possibly, how long the call lasted. It’s easy to understand why prosecutors would want that information in virtually any case they’re investigating. Here, given reports that Trump had numerous calls leading up to and on January 6 (for instance, one with brand new Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville), it would be surprising if they hadn’t done so. The New York Times reported that “The calls were scrutinized because at the time, prosecutors were trying to identify relevant communications between the president and his inner circle with members of Congress on the key days surrounding the violence.”

Call information, which frequently produces investigative leads, is acquired routinely by investigators. But it is not the same thing as a wiretap, which lets law enforcement listen in on a target’s phone calls. To get a wiretap, prosecutors and agents have to get an order from a federal judge in compliance with the strict requirements of Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. They have to establish probable cause and show that less intrusive investigative methods were tried and failed. A wiretap only lasts for 30 days, and prosecutors must go back to the judge, with fresh proof, in order to reup the wiretap for an additional 30 days.

Jordan’s allegation that this is the weaponization of the DOJ should fall on deaf ears. Jack Smith was investigating one of the most serious situations our country has ever faced—an effort to interfere with the smooth transfer of power between two American administrations, with involvement by the outgoing president who had lost the election—using routine investigative techniques. Jordan and other Republicans should be able to differentiate between that and wiretaps, since these are statutory creatures and Congress sets the requirements for when they can be used.

Jordan admonished Smith that he was “ultimately responsible for the prosecutorial misconduct and constitutional abuses of your office,” a comment that is a not-too-veiled threat in the era of revenge prosecutions.

Smith spoke out earlier this week, in an interview in London with Andrew Weissmann. Smith praised the integrity, competence, and selflessness of professionals at DOJ and the FBI—many of whom were subsequently fired by the Trump administration. Why prosecute Trump for classified documents when Biden didn’t get prosecuted, Smith was asked. He responded that it was simple because the facts were starkly different; with Trump, there was evidence of willfulness and intent to violate the law regarding protection of classified documents. Trump obstructed justice, even lying and saying he had returned all the documents he retained. Of course, when the search warrant was executed at Mar-a-Lago, it conclusively proved that was a lie.

Trump indictment: Former president kept classified docs in Mar-a-Lago  bathroom, ballroom

At a talk he gave last month at George Mason University in Washington, D.C., Smith said, “The heart of the Rule of Law is treating people equally under the rule of law. Good prosecutors do not care about politics. They bring cases that are supported by facts.”

That’s what good prosecutors do. What is the difference between the prosecution of Donald Trump for possessing classified documents and the decision not to prosecute Joe Biden? It’s evidence. Evidence of willfulness and intent and of Trump’s effort to obstruct justice by keeping classified documents from being recovered by the government after claiming his lawyers claimed he’d returned everything in his possession. What makes the prosecution of Jim Comey a perversion of our criminal justice system? It’s the absence of evidence that he committed a crime and the clear direction from the President of the United States to his Attorney General to go after him. We do not need to engage in bothsidesism here; one of these things is not like the other. The people who are complaining that the prior administration weaponized the Justice Department are, in fact, the ones who are doing exactly that, but all of the noise can get confusing and exhausting.

But this is no “he said, she said” controversy. When even Chris Christie, the former New Jersey U.S. Attorney and Governor, who is no stranger to legal controversy like the Bridgegate Scandal, condemns what is happening in this administration, there is every reason to pay attention.

It was the ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, Maryland Representative Jamie Raskin, who got it just right, as he so frequently does. With his sarcasm font on full blast, Raskin congratulated Jordan for also “demand[ing] the release of Smith’s full report, and all accompanying records, from his investigation into Donald Trump’s hoarding of classified documents and obstruction of justice at Mar-a-Lago” after “an extraordinary years-long MAGA cover-up has deprived the American public of the opportunity to read this special counsel report that the taxpayers paid for.” Republicans, of course, have not. This is not about a commitment to transparency. This is not about being the party of law and order. It’s certainly not about following the rule of law.

The details about the documents Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago, and for all we know, keeps there to this day, remain largely undisclosed. Just like the Epstein files are still being kept secret. Donald Trump is committed to an all-powerful presidency. It’s easy to understand why he thinks that’s so desirable—it’s not about doing justice.

We’re in this together,

Joyce

Rest In Peace & Power

Miss Major Griffin-Gracy, activist since Stonewall, has died

The LGBTQ+ community — and particularly the transgender community — has lost an iconic activist.

Trudy Ring October 13 2025 7:29 PM EST

Miss Major Griffin-Gracy, a legendary transgender activist who had been in the movement since Stonewall, died Monday at age 78.

Her death was announced by the House of GG—Griffin-Gracy Retreat and Educational Center, which she founded. She died “in the comfort of her home and surrounded by loved ones in Little Rock, Arkansas,” says a statement from the center. “Her enduring legacy is a testament to her resilience, activism, and dedication to creating safe spaces for Black trans communities and all trans people — we are eternally grateful for Miss Major’s life, her contributions and how deeply she poured into those she loved.”

Miss Major had suffered from health problems for some time and had recently begun receiving hospice care.She spent more than 50 years fighting for the “trans, gender-nonconforming, and LGB community — especially for Black trans women, trans women of color and those who have survived incarceration and police brutality,” the statement continues. Major’s fierce commitment and intersectional approach to justice brought her to care directly for people with HIV/AIDS in New York in the early 1980s, and later to drive San Francisco’s first mobile needle exchange. As director of the TGI Justice Project, she’d return to prisons as a mentor to her ‘gurls’ inside.”


She founded House of GG in 2019 as “a space for our community to take a break, swim, enjoy good food, laugh, listen to music, watch movies, and recharge for the ongoing fight for our lives,” the statement goes on. “Miss Major fought tirelessly for her people, her love as vast and enduring as the universe she knew herself to be a part of. She was a world builder, a visionary, and unwavering in her devotion to making freedom possible for Black, trans, formerly and currently incarcerated people as well as the larger trans and LGB community. Because of her, countless new possibilities have been made for all of us to thrive — today and for generations to come. She affirmed that our lives hold meaning and that we stand on the shoulders of giants like her, whose courageous love and relentless fight assured our right to live with dignity. We will forever honor her memory, her steadfast presence, and her enduring commitment to our collective liberation.” (snip-MORE good history and story on the page)

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‘Ghostbusters’-playing clarinetist detained at ICE facility protest

There is a brutal video at the link that shows her detainment / arrest.  She was peacefully protesting.  At one point ICE agents rushed out of the gates, jumped the woman who was just playing her clarinet.  She was not doing anything wrong.  She was in a public space exercising her 1st amendment rights.   Then ICE took her across state lines and put her in a jail with no charges and no bail.  She is being held incommunicado not allowed to talk to anyone which means no lawyer.  The video reporter says that the peaceful protestors were hit with pepper balls.  The US is being run by a mob boss wannabee racist white nationalist authoritarian who doesn’t want any rights for anyone not white and wealthy.  The people of this country have lost all civil rights.  One of the people arrested was white so it doesn’t matter race.   Please watch the video.   We are at a point where any protest against the government can get you disappeared Russia style.  Hugs

‘Ghostbusters’-playing clarinetist detained at ICE facility protest

https://thehill.com/video/clarinetist-playing-ghostbusters-arrested-at-ice-facility/11165553

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From Joe My God.

ICE Agents Slam Clarinetist Playing “Ghostbusters” Face Down Into Mud And Hold Her Without Bail Or Charges

https://www.joemygod.com/2025/10/ice-agents-slam-clarinetist-playing-ghostbusters-face-down-into-mud-hold-her-without-bail-or-charges/

Portland’s CBS affiliate reports:

A clarinet player is apparently being held without bail on no specific charges at the Clark County Jail in Vancouver after her husband said she was arrested Sunday during a protest across the street from the ICE facility in South Portland. The woman’s husband — who asked KOIN 6 News not to identify either of them for safety reasons — said his wife was tackled by federal agents while she was playing her clarinet around 5 p.m.

“It is a beautiful party atmosphere. Everybody’s really excited. Then the band hits into ‘Ghostbusters’, and then at ‘Ghostbusters’, that’s when ICE start storming in,” the husband said. “Why are they targeting a clarinet player? A clarinet player standing on the sidewalk far away from the street, following instructions.” Video of the arrest obtained by KOIN 6 News shows the woman face down in the mud with her clarinet on the ground next to her.

Read the full article.

Let’s talk about how the Trump shutdown should’ve been completely expected….

Secret Police Ramp Up Trump’s Vile Deportation Campaign

 

A.I. Does STEAM-

(Well, the Science and Art parts, anyway! This is originally a year-old story, republished by Cosmos today. I scouted around for some sort of an update, but didn’t find one. I still thought this is interesting, and at least now we know another area in which A.I. might be applied. I think that’s good to know, since A.I. does make mistakes, as noted below.)

The artificial intelligence program AlphaFold is proving to be a gamechanger for biological research, Imma Perfetto reports. This article was originally published in the Cosmos Print Magazine, September 2024.

October 11, 2025 Imma Perfetto

This artwork of an origami bird holds AlphaFold 3 predictions of a complex of two proteins (ScpA and ScpB) in its beak. The protein complex is important during cell division in bacteria. Top: ScpA is cyan and ScpB is green. Bottom: Confidence measures, where dark blue is very high confidence, light blue is confident, yellow is low confidence, and orange is very low confidence in the structural prediction. Credit: AlphaFold 3, Katie Michie.

A protein is made from of a chain of amino acids strung together like beads on a necklace. This chain spontaneously folds, like origami, into intricate pleats, folds, and loops through interactions between its amino acids. The resulting unique 3D structure largely determines its vital function within the lifeform. Solving the structure allows biologists to better understand how the protein works and design experiments to affect and modify it.

The smallest known protein, TAL, influences development of the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster and has just 11 amino acids. The largest, Titin, is found in human muscle cells and is made up of roughly 35,000.

Proteins are far too tiny to inspect under a regular microscope. For decades researchers used complex experimental techniques, such as X-ray crystallography, nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectroscopy, and cryogenic electron microscopy (cryo-EM) to solve their structures. It’s painstaking, time-consuming work that takes specialised skill and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars. And, as Kate Michie can attest, success is not always guaranteed.

“I spent four years trying to solve the crystal structure of a complex of two human proteins and got scooped. You know, I got nothing out of four years. I worked really hard at it, and it was a really difficult project. AlphaFold can calculate those in a few hours,” says Michie, who is chief scientist of the Structural Biology Facility at the Mark Wainwright Analytical Centre, of the University of New South Wales Sydney.

On 8 May 2024 Nature dropped a paper introducing the third and latest iteration of the artificial intelligence (AI) system AlphaFold, which predicts the 3D structure of proteins from their amino acid sequences. Google DeepMind and Isomorphic Labs, both subsidiaries of Alphabet, co-developed the new model. They say AlphaFold 3 (AF3) is “a revolutionary model that can predict the structure and interactions of all life’s molecules with unprecedented accuracy”. But, while AF3 has generated significant interest since its release, it has simultaneously sparked criticism among those in the scientific community.

Let’s take a closer look at how AI is changing the world of structural biology.

A revolution in protein structure

AF3’s predecessor, AlphaFold 2, was released as open source code in July 2021 and immediately changed the game in structural biology.

“I contacted the high-performance computation people and said, ‘we really need to get this piece of code running’. And then I asked my colleague, ‘Do you have any structures that you never submitted to the Protein Data Bank?’” says Michie.

The Protein Data Bank (PDB) is the global archive of all the experimentally solved structures for large biological molecules. As of June 2024, its estimated to include more than 220,000 proteins, which sounds like a lot until you consider the number of proteins we know of exceeds 200 million.

“My colleague sent me a sequence of a small protein he never submitted to the PDB, I ran it, and I just sent him the result. His email response to me was: ‘My mind is blown!’ And he said, ‘I immediately thought someone else must have solved the structure.’”

But they hadn’t, AF2 had accurately predicted the 3D structure of the protein from its amino acid sequence alone. What had taken years to describe experimentally had been done in just a few hours.

AF2 is a deep learning algorithm. In the world of AI that means it simulates the neural networks found in human brains. First, it takes the protein sequence of interest and searches several databases for similar proteins. By comparing these sequences, it can identify areas of similarity and difference to understand how the protein has changed across evolution.

For instance, if two amino acids are in close contact in 3D space then a mutation in one will usually be accompanied by a mutation in the other (to conserve the structure of the protein). But if they are far apart then they tend to evolve independently from each other. Using this to work out the relative positions of the amino acids, AF2 then takes its training on PDB structural data and iteratively constructs a 3D model of the protein’s structure with relatively high accuracy.

Scientists can take advantage of that predicted structure to accelerate their science by doing smarter, more strategic experiments in the laboratory right off the bat. “I’ve done work with some scientists working with immune complexes, and the models coming out of AlphaFold enable them to really trim down the number of animal experiments they do,” says Michie. “So instead of making say 20 CRISPR mice, they only might make two.”

Fos and jun transcription factors coloured in blues, yellow and orange depending on their confidence. A green box in the right is shaded to indicate binding confidence.
As seen in AlphaFold 3, a structural prediction of Fos and Jun transcription factors with the DNA sequence they bind. The top panel shows the model and confidence data, and the green chart shows the high confidence of them binding to each other. Credit: AlphaFold 3, Katie Michie.

Crystal clues

An accurate AlphaFold structure can also be the crucial missing piece of the puzzle that allows researchers to experimentally solve the structure using X-ray crystallography.

“One of my other colleagues is virologist and he’d been working on a protein that had eluded structural elucidation for 20–30 years. It was from the world’s first known retrovirus,” says Michie.

“The trick of crystallography is you need to know two components of the maths to solve them,” she continues. The diffraction data provided by X-ray crystallography gives you one of those components, but you don’t have the other: the phase.

Traditional methods of obtaining phase information had proved unsuccessful, until Michie suggested using AlphaFold instead.

“Immediately the structure came out. AlphaFold helped him get the crystals but then actually enabled him to phase the structure. It told us that the Alpha Fold model was very good, but it also fixed up this problem in structural biology.”

To Michie, AlphaFold represents a massive step forward: “it’s genuinely the biggest scientific advance in my career”.

“The Alpha Fold model was very good, but it also fixed up this problem in structural biology.”

Predicting the structures of life’s molecules

Proteins don’t exist in a vacuum. They move around, bind to and modify each other, and even form large, complicated complexes.

Peter Czabotar, joint head of the Structural Biology Division at WEHI, the oldest medical research institute in Australia, says one of the early limitations of AF2 was you could only ever get structural predictions of one protein, alone. “Often what you’re interested in is how different proteins will interact with each other. For example, we work on proteins that are involved with cell death and the interactions between those proteins will dictate whether a cell will live or die.”

The gap has since been bridged by other research groups adapting and building upon AF2’s open source code, and with the AlphaFold-Multimer extension in October 2021.

The newest version, AF3, extends upon this capability by predicting interactions of multiple proteins, and nucleic acids (DNA and RNA). It can predict the impact of ions and post-translational modifications – the addition of chemical groups to amino acids – on these molecular systems too. AF3 can also be used to predict how a selection of small molecules called ligands bind to proteins, though this is restricted to ligands that have high-quality experimental data available in the PDB.

“But where the real power is, something that we do a lot of, is in the drug discovery world,” says Czabotar. “And it is extremely powerful for that, potentially, but they haven’t enabled that in the way that it’s released. We’ve done drug discovery against cell death proteins, for example. I can’t take one of the drugs that we’ve worked with and see how it interacts with my target protein, I can only use the [ligands] that they’ve enabled us to use.”

That capability to predict the structure of novel drug molecules interacting with target proteins seems to be restricted to Isomorphic Labs, which was launched in 2021 to pursue commercial drug discovery.

AF3 uses a very different approach for this new suit of predictions: generative AI. After processing the sequence inputs, it assembles its predictions using a diffusion network, the likes of which power AI image generators. According to Isomorphic Labs’ website: “the diffusion process starts with a cloud of atoms, and over many steps converges on its final, most accurate molecular structure”. Diffusion has been applied to protein structure prediction before, for example, in the seminal RoseTTAFold diffusion (RFdiffusion) by the Baker Laboratory at the Institute for Protein Design, the University of Washington.

But generative AI is not without its limitations. AF3 will occasionally produce structures with overlapping atoms (this is physically impossible) or replace a detail of the structure with its mirror image (chemically impossible). As a generative model, it is also prone to hallucinations in which it invents plausible-looking structures – particularly in disordered regions of the protein that lack a stable 3D structure – similarly to how a text to image AI struggles to create realistic-looking hands. In-built confidence measures help to identify when AF3 isn’t so sure about its structural prediction, but ultimately it takes a scientist with understanding of the underlying structural biology to come along and identify what’s gone wrong, and why.

“It’s very, very powerful. But it doesn’t exclude the need to necessarily confirm things experimentally. Whether that is by solving structures themselves or by, for example, testing the structures in some way in an experiment,” says Czabotar.

Concerns about code

In a major departure from AF2, access to the newest iteration of AlphaFold is limited to a web server and for non-commercial research only. “We have various structure-based drug discovery projects and some of them are purely academic, as students, PhDs and honours projects. But we also have had commercial partnerships, because that’s a way to push your discoveries into a clinical setting,” says Czabotar. “So generally, anything that is going to make an impact is done by an academic lab in a commercial partnership. Now, I guess it puts us in a bit of an awkward situation. Even if we could look at our compounds bound to the target [protein], there’s some projects where we won’t be able to do it because, you know, we’ve ticked a box.”

AF3’s accompanying Nature paper was also published without the source code, but with a ‘pseudocode’ instead – a detailed description of what the code can do and how it works. This prompted an open letter to the Editors of Nature, published 16 May and endorsed by more than 1,000 scientists as of June.

The letter raised concerns that “the absence of available code compromises peer review” and that the pseudocode released would “require months of effort to turn into workable code that approximates the performance, wasting valuable time and resources”. Access to the web server was also initially capped at 10 predictions per day, which the letter stated, “restricts the scientific community’s capacity to verify the broad claims of the findings or apply the predictions on a large scale”.

The sentiments appear to have hit home. Shortly after the letter’s release, DeepMind’s Vice President of research, Pushmeet Kohli announced via X that they would double the daily job limit to 20 and are “working on releasing the AF3 model (incl weights) for academic use … within 6 months”.

On 22 May Nature responded in an editorial, stating its reasoning for publishing the paper without code: “the private sector funds most global research and development, and many of the results of such work are not published in peer-reviewed journals. We at Nature think it’s important that journals engage with the private sector and work with its scientists so they can submit their research for peer review and publication.”

In the meantime, other researchers won’t be sitting idly by until the code release at the end of 2024. Already, multiple teams are racing to develop their own open source versions of AlphaFold 3, without any strings attached.

Good News:

Students With Hearing and Vision Loss Get Funding Back Despite Trump’s Anti-DEI Campaign

Following public outcry, the Department of Education has reversed its decision to cut funding for students who have both hearing and vision loss, opting instead to reroute grants to an organization that will provide funding to these students.


by Jodi S. Cohen and Jennifer Smith Richards

Following public outcry, the U.S. Department of Education has restored funding for students who have both hearing and vision loss, about a month after cutting it.

But rather than sending the money directly to the four programs that are part of a national network helping students who are deaf and blind, a condition known as deafblindness, the department has instead rerouted the grants to a different organization that will provide funding for those vulnerable students.

The Trump administration targeted the programs in its attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion; a department spokesperson had cited concerns about “divisive concepts” and “fairness” in explaining the decision to withhold the funding.

ProPublica and other news organizations reported last month on the canceled grants to agencies that serve these students in Oregon, Washington and Wisconsin, as well as in five states that are part of a New England consortium.

Programs then appealed to the Education Department to retain their funding, but the appeals were denied. Last week, the National Center on Deafblindness, the parent organization of the agencies that were denied, told the four programs that the Education Department had provided it with additional grant money and the center was passing it on to them.

“This will enable families, schools, and early intervention programs to continue to … meet the unique needs of children who are deafblind,” according to the letter from the organization to the agencies, which was provided to ProPublica. Education Department officials did not respond to questions from ProPublica; automatic email replies cited the government shutdown. (snip-MORE)

Bari Weiss: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

This is the same Bari Weiss that is rabidly anti-trans and a religious racist bigot.   She is often used as a warrior to get the crimes against trans kids out, and Teldeb that used to come here and spew Weiss’s lies.   No matter who many times I debunked and showed that everything Weiss had reported was lies and misinformation rabid trans haters like Teldeb kept pushing her lies.  Because the truth doesn’t matter to them, making sure no child can be who they really are or fit the mold they demand children fit in.  Now it is trans kids but as we have seen in the US they are coming for every not straight cis kid demanding they fit into the regressive world they demand everyone live in.  Weiss is also a Jewish person who is an Islamophobe.   She supports the genocide in Gaza. Hugs

Documents Allege a Federal Agent at Portland ICE Threatened to Shoot an Ambulance Driver

ICE is a totally out of control rogue government agency that is simply lawless thugs.  This was a civilian in medical distress in the ambulance.   In a worse medical emergency the person could have died.   The person was not in custody and a citizen but ICE demanded to be allowed to control them.   Wake up people we have crossed all the lines.  We barely have a functioning democracy.   We all need to do what we can to fight this.   Incredibly scary.  ICE did not have the authority to hold the ambulance up but they did so at the point of a gun.  What does that say about where the US is as “a nation of laws” and the republicans who for 50 years called themselves the party of law and order?    Hugs

https://www.wweek.com/news/2025/10/12/documents-allege-a-federal-agent-at-portland-ice-threatened-to-shoot-an-ambulance-driver/?utm

Feds delayed medics who had come to pick up an injured protester. Then, according to confidential incident reports, the agents became aggressive.

Federal officers outside the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in South Portland. (John Rudoff/John Rudoff ©2025)

Late on Oct. 5, a Portland ambulance crew informed dispatchers over the radio that it was attempting to transport a patient from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Legacy Emanuel Medical Center but that ICE officers were impeding its departure. Six minutes later, at 9:40 pm, according to publicly archived radio records, the medic driving the vehicle delivered an update: “We are still not being allowed to leave by ICE officers.”

Two confidential incident reports obtained by WW offer insight into what was going on inside the South Portland ICE facility at the time. The written accounts were filed by the ambulance crew members shortly after the incident—one report to their employer, American Medical Response, and another to a union representative—as documentation, as one report puts it, of a “conflict with federal agents.”

The two reports, filed by different medical workers, mirror each other’s accounts, and are consistent with publicly available audio recordings of emergency medical services radio communications, as well as 911 calls and dispatch reports obtained under public records law.

Both reports say that federal agents, in an effort to block the ambulance’s departure, stood directly in front of the vehicle. As the delay dragged on, according to the reports, the ambulance operator put the vehicle into park, causing it to lurch forward slightly.

The reports indicate the federal agents did not like this—so much so that an agent threatened to shoot and arrest the driver. The driver, frightened, asked why. An agent, according to the reports, responded that the driver had attempted to hit him with the ambulance.

“I was still in such shock,” the driver later wrote, “that they were not only accusing me of such a thing, but crowding and cornering me in the seat, pointing and screaming at me, threatening to shoot and arrest me, and not allowing the ambulance to leave the scene. This was no longer a safe scene, and in that moment, I realized that the scene had not actually been safe the entire time that they were blocking us from exiting, and that we were essentially trapped.”

The incident occurred at a contentious spot in the city. The ICE facility on South Macadam Avenue has in recent months been the scene of frequent and persistent protests, typically small in scale, which President Donald Trump has lately used to justify his effort to deploy military troops to Portland to protect federal facilities and the personnel that work in them.

Meanwhile, many, including Portland city officials, have alleged that federal agents have in several cases needlessly intensified situations that might have easily remained far more calm.

The incident described in the crew members’ two reports suggests that such hostility has been directed not only at demonstrators, but at first responders who were asked by the feds to assist. The ambulance was eventually allowed to leave the building with the patient. But the crew’s written reports of the preceding minutes offer a small but revealing sign of how on edge some federal agents working in the ICE facility are feeling—and how quick they are to take an aggressive posture when they perceive a physical threat, even from a fellow emergency worker.

WW first contacted U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement about the incident early last week. When WW followed up Friday, Oct. 10, with more details about what it planned to report, an ICE spokesperson wrote: “Please contact the Federal Protection Services for response.”

A subsequent email that day to the U.S. Federal Protective Service went unanswered. A media contact for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which contains FPS and ICE, did not respond to a request for comment either. None of the agencies responded to a follow-up email Oct. 11 asking for comment.

WW also sought comment from the ambulance crew members, the ambulance company, and the union representing the workers. None denied that the incident had occurred as described in the documents. The union added that when armed agents interfere with medical transport, they “cross a moral line.”


Public records provide greater context to the incident detailed in the crew members’ reports. The ambulance was called late in the evening on Oct. 5 to the ICE facility at 4310 S Macadam Ave. According to a publicly available dispatch document, the crew was responding to a medical call for a protester with a broken or dislocated collar bone.

By 9:13 pm, the ambulance was en route. According to a dispatch document, federal officials suggested at first that the ambulance enter the ICE facility through a side door, but then determined it should come in the main gate. The ambulance arrived on scene at 9:19. By 9:22, it had entered the building.

AMR ambulance on NE 82nd Avenue (Brian Burk)

A two-member crew was aboard. Both later documented the event in confidential reports. One record, reviewed by WW, appears on an event summary form produced for American Medical Response—the company that contracts to run ambulance services in Multnomah County. The document lists Oct. 5—the same day as the incident in question—as the “date submitted.” The other document is an email, sent by a crew member to a union representative. It is time-stamped the evening of Oct. 6.

The reports indicate that when the ambulance arrived, the patient was transferred into the vehicle without issue, and soon the crew was preparing to depart. This is consistent with other publicly available records. At 9:30 pm, the ambulance operator indicated plans over the radio to head to Legacy Emanuel Medical Center. Around 9:33 pm, dispatch records say, the ambulance seemed to be getting ready to bring the patient out.

And yet it was not emerging. What was going on? One crew member worked largely in the rear of the ambulance, while the other was sitting in the driver’s seat. Their respective reports offer consistent accounts from different vantages.

An initial delay, the driver’s report indicated, stemmed from federal agents’ desire to ride in the ambulance to the hospital. The driver recalls responding that, in the absence of arrest paperwork, officers could not ride in the ambulance, and that an agent responded this was OK—that agents would follow the ambulance to the hospital instead.

But the point was evidently not resolved. Before long, a report says, an agent again said the ambulance needed to wait for an agent who would ride along.

“I repeated again,” the driver’s report recounts, “that no officer is permitted to ride in the ambulance and that they can meet us at the hospital and that we needed to be let out of the facility. Officers then began walking away from me whenever I spoke. At that point, a group of 5-8 civilian-dressed men walked into the garage and just stared at me. No identification on any of them. I walked back to the ambulance and got into the driver’s seat. I flipped the emergency lights on and put the car into drive. I inched forward slowly out of the garage.”

At this point, a report says, a man in civilian clothes with a neck wrap covering the lower part of his face stepped in front of the ambulance and told the driver to halt. The ambulance driver, in the report, recalls telling the man not to stand in front of the ambulance, and that the man then yelled at the driver to stop, citing the risk of hitting federal agents.

The driver recalled expressing skepticism about the risk of hitting the large group of officers in full riot gear, in plain view, about 15 feet in front and to the left of the ambulance. Sensing that departure was imminent, the driver inched forward further: “The group of about 30 officers in front of the ambulance were lining up in what I assumed to be preparation for the gate to open so they could escort the ambulance off of the property,” the report says.

Time went by. The crew was anxious to get the patient to the hospital. But they were still being impeded. Several federal agents, many in riot gear, moved to stand “incredibly close” to the front of the ambulance, the driver’s report recounts. An agent approached to inform the driver of the presence of “violent protesters” outside—a new reason the ambulance could not yet leave.

Around this time, dispatchers received one of the crew’s radio messages: The ambulance was still being held up.

Public records document this period as well: “50-60 fed agents completely blocking the road,” a dispatch report said at 9:39 pm, “but AMR still not driving out yet.”

The gate to the ICE facility had opened and dozens of officers in riot gear had marched out, revealing a clear exit path. Still, according to an incident report, the smaller group of officers continued to stand directly in front of the ambulance.

Around this time, the crew member in the rear, having determined, as a report says, that the “yelling and aggressive nature of the officers had created a scene safety issue,” exited the ambulance to have a word with them.

“My partner was still in the driver’s seat,” the crew member wrote, “and I left the ambulance to attempt to calm and deescalate the situation.”

In the other report, the driver recalled observing this and moving to secure the vehicle before also getting out: “I then placed the ambulance into park, took my foot off the brake, undid my seat belt and opened the driver’s side door. I looked up and suddenly the entire group of officers…were crowded around the open car door, some of them leaning forward towards me, inches from my face.”

An agent, the driver recalled, “pointed his finger at me in a threatening manner and began viciously yelling in my face, stating, ‘DON’T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN, I WILL SHOOT YOU, I WILL ARREST YOU RIGHT NOW.’”

According to the driver’s report, the crew member who had been in the rear of the ambulance told the agent that the vehicle rolled forward when the driver put it in park, and that no one was trying to hit him.

To this, the report recounts, another agent replied that this was not the first time this had happened.

According to the medics, the agents continued to yell. There was also further chatter of riding in the ambulance, but in time an accord was reached: Feds would follow along in their own car.

By 9:42 pm, a crew member radioed in: They were finally en route to the hospital. The driver, in the report, recounts making this radio call, and that dispatch copied. The report says an unmarked vehicle with state license plates followed closely behind the ambulance, and upon arriving at the hospital, multiple men in civilian dress exited the vehicle and walked in.

Presented by email with details of this story, a spokesperson for Global Medical Response, the parent company of American Medical Response, did not answer WW’s questions, but said, “We are reviewing the specifics of the situation and committed to a thorough review.”

WW reached out to the two ambulance crew members. Both declined to comment.

Asked for incident reports tied to the medical call, Austin DePaolo, a spokesman for Teamsters Local 223, which represents the ambulance workers, said in an email that the union “doesn’t have any incident reports that members have given us permission to share.”

DePaolo added: “Our Teamster EMS workers answer every call with courage and compassion. When armed agents interfere with medical care, they cross a moral line that could put lives at risk. We stand firmly behind our members who work in EMS.”

Andrew Schwartz

Andrew Schwartz writes about health care. He’s spent years reporting on political and spiritual movements, most recently covering religion and immigration for the Chattanooga Times Free Press, and before this as a freelancer covering labor and public policy for various magazines. He began his career at the Walla Walla Union-Bulletin.

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