Pence: You Have No Right To Freedom From Religion – JMG

When will we take seriously these religious fundies and their threats to force everyone to follow the dictates of their religion?    They want to end democracy and have already shown they will lie about history, science, medical facts, every part of reality to get their way.    They want control over every aspect of everyone’s lives.  Your private lives, your public lives, they demand the right to tell you how to live and what you must do.   You will pay to support their churches, you will worship as they say, you will educate your kids the way they demand, you will watch what they require you to, marry and have sex only the way they tell you, this is the world they are trying to create.    Think Iran, think Saudi Arabia, any other theocracy you can imagine.   Dogs that love gravy think of the Puritans and the Spanish inquisition.   Hello future if these people are not stopped now.  Notice how Pence words it, forcing you to follow their religion is “pro freedom”!    What freedom is that for the rest of us, the freedom to do as we are told and live according to the dictates / doctrines of their churches.    Hugs

“The radical left believes that the freedom of religion is the freedom from religion. But it’s nothing the American founders ever thought of – or generations of Americans fought to defend. 

“You know, I said today here in Houston that the source of our nation’s greatness has always been our faith in God, our freedom, and our vast natural resources.

“And the good news is, that after four years of the Trump-Pence administration, I’m confident that we have a pro-religious freedom majority on the Supreme Court of the United States.

“And I’m confident that come Election Day, November the 8th, you’re gonna see that freedom majority around the country turn out and vote pro-freedom majorities in the House, and in the Senate, and in statehouses around the country.” – Mike Pence, yesterday on Fox News.

 

Robert Conner • a few seconds ago

The goal of religion is to become the law. And no one’s above the law, amirite?

Hayseed • 4 minutes ago

Says the guy who doesn’t know what a scientific theory is.

The_Wretched • 39 minutes ago

“freedom from religion”

Well, yes. I don’t want to pray to your god(s) or give my tax dollars to your social clubs. I also don’t want you to get to groom kids into your religions, that should be upto parents.

M • an hour ago

Lying idiot. There can’t be freedom of religion without freedom from having someone else’s forced on you. Go live in Iran or Saudi Arabia where your religion has second class status and let us know how you like it Mikey.

BensNewLogin • an hour ago

‘ nation’s greatness has always been our faith in God, our freedom, and our vast natural resources. …“

Some people’s freedom, usually to control others.

DaveBusinesspersonArtcollector • an hour ago

He actually believes this unlike many pandering politicians

He actually believes there was no clarifying letter written to the Connecticut baptists. He actually believes the very obvious establishment clause is not prohibiting establishment. He actually believes religious freedom means freedom to impose religion on us

He can’t read and is really stupid therefore

These things are written. You can read and understand

The first says government cannot stop you from being religious nor can it force you to be religious. It’s so strong in the latter that it’s actually called the establishment clause. Government is not only barred from forcing religion, it is barred from any activity “make no law” that supports religion

The scotus was wrong in maine. Wrong in all the illegal words on our money cases. Wrong on the capital visitor center case. They are political hacks pandering but Pence is a delusional simpleton.

Gregory In Seattle • an hour ago

So when a neighborhood is majority Muslim, you are perfectly fine with them arranging the school year to accommodate Muslim holidays rather than Christian? You are perfectly fine with the local mosque amplifying the call to prayer five times a day, and all the shops closing down from Friday night to Saturday night?

Ecce Homo Jonathan Smith • 3 hours ago

Do not underestimate this creepy fanatic. He is a master of false sincerity and will lie and scheme fitting his party’s behavior pattern.

Chris Baker Jonathan Smith • 2 hours ago

Evangelicals have a history of portraying The US as the ‘“New Israel/God’s new chosen people”. They don’t put it so bluntly, but it was the common undercurrent of my evangelical upbringing. America was founded as an Anti-Catholic/Anti-Anglican Protestant paradise. They actually wanted to keep Catholics out.

I think Pence would have a different view on “freedom from religion” if there were several teachers at an elementary school pushing Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism to their students.

🔄arithrianos🔄 Chris Baker • 2 hours ago

The reason Maryland exists is because Catholics were persecuted, but the founders had had enough of established religions, which is why they made a rule against them.

doninkansas Ann Kah • 3 hours ago

And something he is not saying, at least not yet, is that they will also be saying only the right kinds of religions have freedom. This is something I keep reminding my Catholic and Mormon friends, when these folks come into full power, they will be up against the he wall right along with the Muslims, the gays and the liberals. They are just as hated as we are, but right now they need them.

Rex • 3 hours ago

It’s funny, because they claim to be Christian and their behavior isn’t like Christ. This isn’t about religion, it’s about control and always has been.

evanedwards Rex • 3 hours ago

Religion is and always has been a system for controlling gullible masses. It existed as sets of laws before other systems of law came into existence.

In the US, you are free to believe what you want and that includes having no religious beliefs at all. The radical far-right wants a theocracy based solely on their interpretation of Christianity. No other religious belief will be permitted, not even pro-equality Christianity.

What, me worry? weshlovrcm • 2 hours ago

And if they succeeded, the 2000-plus different christian sects will all be fighting over which batshit crazy interpretation of the buybull (and nevermind which edition) will be the BOSS of everybody. Westboro Baptist comes to mind.

Florida man sues son’s school for violating his “natural rights from God” by displaying Pride flags

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/10/florida-man-sues-sons-school-violating-natural-rights-god-displaying-pride-flags/

And it begins.   This is what the Republicans and what Gov. DeathSantis wanted.  How is just seeing a rainbow flag being educated “in the ways of homosexuality.”  I keep saying the goal is to erase gay people from society.   Sorry your religion doesn’t give you the right to kick the people you don’t out of the country, you don’t get to make the people you don’t like hide the fact they are real, you don’t get to use your church doctrine to force people to live straight lives because you don’t want gays to live their lives freely.   What other things will it be illegal for a kid to see, that will instruct them in the way of …, how about icons of other religions?   For that matter I an atheist, I don’t like all the religious symbols and pictures I see, can I sue people for displaying a cross like wearing one around their neck?  They already banned the books that offended them, what next?   

The US is built on diversity and different cultures.    There is a drive on the right to roll back all advances in society over the last 70 years.   To return women to traditional stereotypical roles, to drive minorities back to a subservient roles, To erase the LGBTQ+ and remove representation of them.  They want a white Christian ethnostate, and they are pushing hard to get their way.   They are a minority that is getting their way, claiming my very existence as an openly gay man in a same sex marriage is wrong and instructing their kid in homosexuality.     They want me gone, erased, hidden, it offends their Christianity.   Tough shit, their religion offends me.   What about that.    No one has the right to not be offended.  

If this man wants his child isolated from the other people then send his child to a Christian school that follows his religion.   Gay kids are real, they go to school, they have the right to live their lives openly as do straight kids.   They have as much right to date, to have clubs, to see their symbols as much as Christians have the right to wear their crosses.  LGBTQ+ have as much right to be and to live openly as straight kids, as Christian kids, as Muslim kids, as atheist kids and so on.   This is not the first time this father has tried to force his religion on others and seems to also be a racist who demands the right to discriminate against others.   

People we need everyone to stand up and say enough and fight back against the attempt to remove others from society and existence.   We must fight against the attempt to force one religion in the laws and lives of everyone else.  These people are the US version of the Taliban.   Help us stop them.   Vote them out of office.    Hugs

 
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A Florida father is suing his 12-year-old son’s school district over the fact that his son was exposed to Pride flags in his computer science classroom.

Dr. Francisco Catalin Deliu of Palm Beach County is arguing that Emerald Cove Middle School, principal Dr. Eugina Smith-Freeman, and his son’s teacher Rachel Raos have been “expressly and/or implicitly advocating for homosexuality as an alternative way of life,” reports CBS 12.

Deliu, a Romanian refugee who fled due to religious and political persecution, is an Orthodox Christian who believes being gay is a sin.

The lawsuit says that in early September, Deliu’s son informed him that Raos had hung two Pride flags in her classroom, searched online “about homosexual lifestyles,” and “proselytized to the students in the class.”

Deliu claims the principal dismissed him when he complained and said she’d have to speak to the Board to determine whether Raos was breaking the law. He also claims that after asking for his son to be removed from Raos’s class and placed in a different computer science class, the school instead moved his son to an art class without telling him.

The suit reportedly does not accuse the school of breaking Florida’s infamous Don’t Say Gay law. It argues that the school violated Deliu’s “substantive human rights” and “natural rights from God.” It accuses the state of “acting contrary to his religious beliefs” and says he has a right to prevent his child from being educated “in the ways of homosexuality.”

Deliu has also previously accused the school of spreading homosexuality through library books.

And these tussles are far from his first time getting involved with the law.

While living in New Zealand in 2017, Deliu’s law license was suspended for 15 months and he was ordered to pay over $250,000 due to “six charges of misconduct, one charge of unprofessional conduct, and one charge of conduct unbecoming a lawyer,” according to the New Zealand Law Society.

The charges were due to allegations of racism and discrimination he made against two judges, which the court reportedly said were “excessive, disgraceful, and baseless attacks on Judges made in provocative and intemperate language, and for the purposes of protecting the practitioner’s own interests.”

For the accusations against his son’s school, he reportedly is seeking a jury trial.

Why We Are DOOMED

Ron DeSantis called “anti-business” in debate over his “Don’t Say Gay” war with Disney

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/10/ron-desantis-called-anti-business-debate-dont-say-gay-war-disney/

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R)Photo: Shutterstock

On Monday night, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and his Democratic opponent Charlie Crist went head to head in a debate, where Crist called DeSantis “the most anti-business governor I’ve ever seen” as a result of his battle to ban teachers from talking about LGBTQ issues.

“I’m pro-business I want to make sure we keep our businesses open. I’m not the governor who attacked Walt Disney World because they deigned to express their point of view.”

“I’m not the governor who attacked the cruise industry because they just wanted to make sure that their customers weren’t sick before they got on the boat. That’s you. You’re the most anti-business governor I’ve ever seen.”

 

After Crist’s dig about Disney, the audience laughed. He was referring to DeSantis’s war on the company after it spoke out against Florida’s Don’t Say Gay bill that prohibits K-3 teachers from talking about sexual orientation and gender identity in the classroom.

DeSantis not only continuously criticized the company in public, but he also oversaw the Florida legislature’s revocation of Disney’s decades-old special zoning agreement to punish them for speaking out for LGBTQ people by issuing a statement opposing the Don’t Say Gay law.

And last summer he battled with the cruise industry, banning them from requiring proof of vaccination from passengers. A federal court sided with a cruise line against DeSantis, saying that the state’s ban on vaccine passports violated the cruise line’s rights.

In July, he ordered his administration not to invest funds in “woke” corporations, prohibiting pension fund managers from using environmental, social, and governance (ESG) ratings when deciding which companies to invest government funds into.

Crist’s dig at DeSantis accuses him of doing the exact opposite of what the Republican party – the alleged pro-business party – claims to support.

During the debate, DeSantis also would not commit to serving another full four-year term as governor, presumably because he is planning a 2024 presidential run.

DeSantis avoided Crist’s questions about 2024 and declared, “I know that Charlie is interested in talking about 2024 and Joe Biden, but I just want to make things very, very clear: The only worn-out old donkey I’m looking to put out to pasture is Charlie Crist.”

Crist served one term as Florida’s Republican governor from 2007 to 2011. In 2010, he ran for Senate as an independent, and in 2012, he registered as a Democrat. In addition to being governor of Florida, he has been a state senator, attorney general, and the state’s education commissioner (all as a Republican). Until a few months ago, he was serving in Congress but resigned to focus on the gubernatorial race.

In the debate, he also took aim at DeSantis’s anti-trans and anti-abortion views.

DeSantis signed a 15-week abortion ban that has no exceptions for rape and incest, and he has repeatedly spoken out against trans youth. During the debate, he called gender-affirming care the practice of “mutilating” children.

“You think you know better than any physician or any doctor or any woman,” Crist said. “You need to lead by uniting people, not dividing them.”

School board proposes banning furries after rumors of litter boxes in schools spread

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/10/school-board-proposes-banning-furries-rumors-litter-boxes-schools-spread/

Lets be honest what the furries thing is about.  It is about attacking trans kids without using the word trans.  It is adults mocking the idea of identifying with a different gender than your born identified sex.  It is stupid and another example of the right making up something that is not happen and not real simply to create outrage to be offended over.    Hugs

 
April 14, 2018, European furry walk at Volkspark Friedrichshain in Berlin
April 14, 2018, European furry walk at Volkspark Friedrichshain in Berlin Photo: Shutterstock
 

A school board in North Carolina considered a proposal to ban furry costumes in schools after they say they received numerous complaints about students dressing up as animals and using litter boxes in school restrooms.

Jeff James, superintendent of Iredell-Statesville Schools, said that he’s spent hours responding to emails and messages on social media about the rumor. He said that the rumors are false and that there is no evidence that students are bringing litter boxes into school restrooms.

But that didn’t stop school board member Bryan Shomaker from supporting the proposal to ban ears, tails, gloves, collars, or full furry costumes from being worn in schools. The proposal has exceptions for school spirit days and theater.

“We’re trying to address it before it becomes a major problem,” he said at a school board meeting.

But some parents were angry that it was even being discussed.

“We have classrooms without teachers, and you’re wasting your time focusing on a kid at a Scotts Elementary Panthers basketball game who wants to wear a cat ear headband,” said parent Jean Foster.

“We’ve spent a lot of time on masks over the past few years,” a frustrated Foster told Queen City News after the meeting. “We’ve spent a lot of time talking about which books we are wanting to ban. All of that is a distraction from what’s important. This was just something else – something ludicrous.”

“You may not want it to be a distraction, but it was a distraction. A large distraction,” school board member Martin Page said.

Lincoln County Schools in North Carolina was also the subject of furry rumors.

“There is nobody identifying as a cat at North Lincoln High School and we have no litter boxes!!!” an employee wrote in a Facebook group. “Quit spreading this stupidity!”

spokesperson for Lincoln County Schools told The Charlotte Observer that there have never been litter boxes in any of its schools.

An early example of the stories about students identifying as house pets and demanding litter boxes was Michigan activist Lisa Hansen. Because Hansen opposed federal regulations allowing trans students to use school restrooms matching their gender identities, she claimed that students who identify as cats were allowed to use litter boxes in one school’s unisex restroom.

A Michigan school superintendent was forced to write an email to parents debunking such a lie. An Oregon public school district superintendent was also forced to send a similar email after one social media user claimed that furries were wearing leashes and being petted by other students at local schools.

Nevertheless, the lie has been repeated by right-wingers, including by Nebraska Sen. Bruce Bostelman (R).

During a televised debate, Bostelman claimed that student “furries” were allowed to interact with teachers by meowing and barking. He also said that one student who was denied a litter box later defecated on a classroom floor. Bostelman later admitted that the story wasn’t true.

It has been spread online by anti-LGBTQ activists like Chaya Raichik of LibsofTikTok, when she pushed a lie that a second grade Texas schoolteacher encouraged students to become furries. The Austin school district disavowed the claim as misinformation.

Similarly, Christian hate pastor Aaron Thompson and anti-LGBTQ televangelist Andrew Wommack both said that schools allow students to identify as animals and demand litter boxes in classrooms. Michigan Republican Party Co-Chair Meshawn Maddock also repeated the lie, as did Heidi Ganahl, the Republican candidate for governor of Colorado. She claimed that student “furries” are identifying as cats in over 30 different schools in the state.

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) has claimed that a father in Michigan told her that his son got into trouble when he stepped on the tail of a student who identified as a furry.

Reuters published a fact check in July that said there is “no evidence of them disrupting classrooms or schools developing a policy of including them as a formal identity.”

Earlier this month, conservative radio host Joe Rogan told former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) that he knows someone who knows someone who said that “there’s a girl who’s a furry, who identifies as an animal and her mother badgered the school until they agreed to put a litter box in one of the stalls.”

“So this girl goes into the litter room or to the girl’s room and urinates or whatever — I don’t know if she poops in it, that’s pretty gross.”

 

County bans all volleyball games with school because a trans student is on their team

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/10/county-bans-volleyball-games-school-trans-student-team/

I want to point that the coaches said that the cis girls had hit the ball harder than the trans gender girl did.  The anti-trans hate came through loud and clear, with one guy says no one should play against the team “based on their morals, ethics, and Christian upbringing.”  These people were just waiting for an excuse to attack the trans girl.   Despite the other teams wanting to play against the team with the trans girl, the coaches wanted to play against the team, despite the fact that the trans girl has been on the team for four years without any issues, the bigots claim this must be done to protect the girls.   What a crock.   They did not listen to any thing they were told instead wanting to show how bad the trans people are.   They couldn’t stop the trans girl from playing so what they did was make sure her teammates couldn’t play, her entire team was not banned from anyone playing against them so that the team will turn on the trans girl and force her off the team.   That is their out.   Make the team do what they legally can not do.    Hugs

 
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Nearly two months after a North Carolina girls’ high school volleyball game resulted in a one team’s player being “forcefully struck” by a spiked ball, and later a ban on playing any more games with the opposing team, a school board’s meeting notes reveal the opposing team’s high school is being barred from competing against county schools for allowing a transgender girl to play on their team.

On September 2, the two girls’ volleyball teams, from Hiwassee Dam High School in Cherokee County and Highlands School in Macon County, faced off at Highlands in an early evening match. A recording posted to high school sports site Maxpreps, published on September 9, reveals during one game, a player from Highlands spikes the ball from the near side of the court to Hiwassee, striking a player, who drops to the floor.

The video shows coaching staff attending to the Hiwassee player, while the Highlands players huddle, waiting for the outcome. Moments later, the injured player rises to her feet with the help of staff and walks off the court, cheered on by players and fans from both sides.

Two weeks later, the Cherokee County Board of Education met in regular session, where concerns over the incident were aired by attendees and principals from the district’s three high schools, including Hiwassee.

A statement issued by the board summed up the result: “On Wednesday (September 21, 2022) the Cherokee County Board of Education determined the varsity and junior varsity volleyball teams within Cherokee County’s high schools will not play the Highlands School volleyball teams due to safety concerns for Cherokee County Schools’ athletes.”

Those “safety concerns” centered on the player who spiked the ball, who is transgender.

It’s unclear from meeting notes how or when the player’s transgender status became known to the board.

“The competitive advantage issue certainly has to come up in any scenario with that type of transgender conversion, per se,” said school board vice-chair Jeff Martin, according to Christian Education First Alliance North Carolina. “I can tell you that the board wasn’t searching out this kind of thing. It was brought to our attention based on safety concerns.”

Board chair Arnold Mathews described the injured player as “forcefully struck” for Channel 9 News. Board member Jeff Tatham claimed the video of the injury was conclusive.

“The biggest thing for us, especially after seeing the video of the injury, we felt very strongly that it was a safety concern,” Tatham said. “I think most of the board members also felt like there’s a competitive advantage issue.”

Sentiment in the meeting was not universal. Joseph Watson, Athletic Director of Murphy High, advised the Board that feedback from his players and parents revealed the majority wanted to play Highlands and none of his parents expressed concerns. Jordan Lovingood, the school’s volleyball coach, said their school’s team had played against Highlands, including the player in question, for four years running, and that none of her players wanted to forfeit games against the school.

Another Murphy High volleyball coach, Amanda Johnson, said there was always risk of injury, no matter the player, and she’s seen other girls hit the ball harder than the one on the video. She added that a Murphy football player was recently injured playing on turf-field, and “because we aren’t used to playing on turf-fields, should we not play that game because it’s unsafe and our players aren’t used to that type field?” she asked, according to the board meeting notes.

Attendee Dean Shatley said that based on his conversation with the president of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association, the president of the group was unaware of any other injuries resulting from athletic play with a transgender athlete.

But sentiment against the trans player and Highlands School was high. Andrews High School principal Lance Bristol said he would decline to play Highlands based on feedback about safety and fairness, and said, “AHS is willing to take that on and they will embrace it.”

Jason Murphy, a Republican running for a seat on the board in November’s election, said the board should vote on forfeiting all games against Highlands “based on their morals, ethics, and Christian upbringing.”

After additional discussion and comment, according to meeting notes, the board considered the question of allowing continued competition with the Highlands volleyball team. Jeff Tatham made a motion that “we as a county not participate in any upcoming games with varsity and junior varsity against Highlands due to safety concerns.” The motion was carried, 5-1.

When reached for comment, Murphy High volleyball coach Amanda Johnson, also a counselor at the school, told LGBTQ Nation, “I’m sorry. I cannot comment about that.” Highlands School principal Brian Jetter also declined to speak about the issue: “I don’t have any comment on that, but thanks for calling.” A message to Keesha Curtis, the lone dissenting vote on the Cherokee School Board to forfeit all games with Highlands School, went unanswered.

 

Oklahoma School Superintendent Candidate Wants All Teachers Reeducated With “Christian Patriotic History”

Scary, more and more Christian nationalists that have no idea of the true history of the US are forcing their way into schools, trying to force even more kids to think the US was founded as a Christain nation.   The question is do they really believe this or were they taught this incorrectly in-home school or a Christian school or is this a plot by one of the Christian nationalist organizations to force more kids to be incorrectly taught.   But does it matter?    We are almost at a tipping point.   The religionist have managed to get very close to taking over enough to change how history is taught in enough schools to make what they want become true.   This is now become a crisis in the US, religion, specifically the Christian religion has tried for almost as long as the nation has existed to take over, and they are very much on the cusp of doing so.    it terrifies me because I know how these people deal with those that they dislike or don’t agree with their god.   Hugs

Oklahoma City’s ABC affiliate reports:

A new controversy has arisen surrounding the race for state superintendent. If elected, Republican Ryan Walters would have teachers undergo patriotic education offered by a conservative Christian college in Michigan.

Walters has said in the past students are not being taught U.S. history accurately and argued this could be a way to reverse the trend. His opponent, Jena Nelson, called the plan bizarre.

“They are now advocating that our students are not taught history but instead are taught indoctrination, instead taught this country is an evil place full of bigoted racists,” said Ryan Walters (R), candidate for state superintendent.

Read the full article. Watch the clip.

 

Misutaa Roboto • 4 hours ago • edited

If your history is full of idealized heroes, it’s not history, it’s mythology.

What he calls “true history” is nationalist mythology. He’s too fucking stupid to know the difference, and in Oklahoma, he’s likely to win simply by virtue of being a Republican.

Sarah Misutaa Roboto • 4 hours ago

It sounds like, I dunno…indoctrination. But that can’t be right, ’cause he’s against that!

Octoberfurst Misutaa Roboto • 4 hours ago

That’s what I can’t stand! These white nationalists want a sanitized view of America where everything was sunshine and lollipops. It’s a land where everybody loved Jesus and the Native Americsns are only mentioned when talking about the first Thanksgiving and, sure we had slavery, but it wasn’t so bad and everything was great for Black people after the Civil War. Ugh.

Gianni Octoberfurst • 3 hours ago

But it absolutely has to begin with how America was founded as a Christian nation. THAT”S the history they’ll use to start. From there, it’ll be whatever Christian bullshit and nuttiness they can toss in to THE history.

(((GC))) – End the filibuster! Gianni • 2 hours ago

As James Huber points out:

…The Founding Fathers had no reason to be vague. There was no ACLU, no “Activist judges.” If they had wanted a Christian Nation they could have written:

God Almighty, in Order to form a true Christian Nation, establish Divine Justice, insure adherence to His Laws, provide for the defense of His Church, promote His Word, and secure His Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, has led us to ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Instead they wrote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

‘Trans kids are not new’: a historian on the long record of youth transitioning in America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/01/trans-children-history-jules-gill-peterson-interview

Many people have bought into the right wing talking point that trans people are a new fad.   But the truth is just like sexual orientation people have been born with a different gender than their birth identified sex for as long as there have been people.   Another right wing talking point shown to be incorrect and wrong.     Hugs

Republicans seeking to restrict children’s lives claim trans youth are a ‘new phenomenon’. Jules Gill-Peterson explains how medical archives prove them wrong

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Jules Gill-Peterson: ‘Children and youth have been finding access to trans medicine and transition as long as there has been medical transition.’ Photograph: Courtesy Jules Gill-Peterson
 

Republican lawmakers pushing to restrict transgender children’s lives have repeatedly argued that trans kids are a “new phenomenon” and that gender-affirming treatments and policies are “experimental”.

But Jules Gill-Peterson, a professor of gender, sexuality and women’s studies at the University of Pittsburgh, has found extensive evidence of trans youth in the US living as themselves and fighting to transition in decades-old archival documents. The records from American hospitals and clinics date back to the early 20th century, with examples across the US well before the existence of contemporary language on trans identity.

 

The Guardian recently spoke to the Histories of the Transgender Child author about her research and its implications as Republicans push legislation to restrict trans youths’ access to sports teams and outlaw gender-affirming healthcare. This conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.

 
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Why was it important to you to research the history of trans kids?

In the past 10 years, we’ve seen this sudden visibility of trans kids. There’s a lot more representation. But the common refrain is, “Trans people are so new” and “Trans kids, my gosh! They didn’t even exist until recently.” And I started to think about what happens when you’re part of a group that gets framed as brand new. There’s this cloak of caution and fear around trans kids, this idea that “We don’t know what it means for a child to transition”. That “this is all an experiment”. I had a sense as a historian that these ideas were probably not true and wanted to do historical research that would challenge this, by showing that trans kids have been around for a long time.

How far back were you able to find documentation?

What I uncovered in the research is that children and youth have been finding access to trans medicine and transition as long as there has been medical transition – as far back as the 1930s and 40s. But even prior to that, children certainly lived trans lives where they would socially transition in childhood. I found evidence in the US that families and communities would accept children as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth, let them go to school, use the correct bathroom, all of the things that are being fought over now. We can see that 70 or 80 years ago, we were actually in a more progressive place in some areas.

What pieces of evidence were particularly telling?

I found handwritten letters from trans kids to a famous endocrinologist, Harry Benjamin, who was known for providing trans healthcare. In the 60s and 70s, they would say, “I’m X years old. I’m a transsexual. I read about that in the news” or “I looked up your work at a library, and it describes who I am”. They were from all over the country and they would ask if Dr Benjamin could see them, send them hormones, give them a permit to wear the clothes they wanted, talk to their family or teacher. It was young kids knowing really clearly that they were trans and going toe-to-toe with medical professionals. Suddenly, I had not only proof that kids were trans, but that they contacted doctors and tried to transition the best they could. It speaks to the remarkable ingenuity and resilience that trans young people have had for a really long time. And it’s pretty unimpeachable evidence that this is not a new social phenomenon. It’s not some trendy thing that kids are picking up now.

Are there specific stories that stuck with you?

One of the other incredible archival finds was this woman Val, a trans woman who in the 1950s was trying to get surgery in Wisconsin. In the hospital, she did an interview with a psychologist and talked about her childhood, growing up in the early 1930s in a small town in rural Wisconsin. She says from as far back as she could remember, she knew she was a girl. There was no trans language in that household, but her parents accepted her. There was an understanding of what that meant, socially, without any need for a medical diagnosis. So her family raised her as a girl and arranged for her to go to school as a girl. Now, there are dozens of bills that claim we have to restrict trans kids because “we’ve never seen kids like this before”, but in reality we can look almost 90 years ago and see a trans kid who was accepted by her family.

What did you learn about who has actually had access to care throughout the history of trans medicine?

One of the biggest lines of difference was racial. White trans people were seen as having a problem in their gender development that could be corrected, and in fact must be corrected because of this inherently racist idea that white civilization must have its gender norms. So right from the start, we see that white trans kids get way more access to medical care.

 
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Black trans children in particular are almost completely shut out. Instead of receiving medical care, they are much more likely to be arrested or institutionalized, put in the foster care system or juvenile detention. And they are much more likely to be diagnosed as delusional, schizophrenic or something else that blatantly ignores what they know about themselves.

How does that legacy of exclusion tie into the current efforts to outlaw gender-affirming treatments?

Most trans people do not have access to gender-affirming care. They never have, it’s never been the reality. We’re not even close. It’s primarily upper-middle-class and white well-educated families that actually have the time and the money to access care. So we’re now facing the proposition of banning forms of healthcare that almost no trans kids even have access to. The possibility of making things better and righting historical wrongs will stop with these bills.

And it’s a direct continuation of this history that is also a racial history. There is a lot of disposable income and time required to get care. If you have a trans kid, you need to advocate constantly and show up and testify against the bills. So working-class families, families of color, people with less resources are way less able to do what it takes right now to access pediatric gender-affirming care.

Why do you think trans kids in particular have become such a culture war target?

Mainstream LGBT organizations for a long time weren’t trans-inclusive, and trans activists long warned that focusing on gay marriage would leave behind other LGBT people who are vulnerable and wouldn’t be protected by marriage – like trans people and youth. And that seems to really have come true. Trans rights have been turned into a wedge issue. And children are really easy targets, because we don’t grant them the privilege to speak for themselves and defend their own interests. So they are used as pawns.

 
A proposed ban on transgender athletes playing female school sports in Utah would affect transgender girls like this 12-year-old swimmer seen at a pool in Utah on Monday, Feb. 22, 2021. She and her family spoke with The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to avoid outing her publicly. She cried when she heard about the proposal that would ban transgender girls from competing on girls’ sports teams in public high schools, which would separate her from her friends. She’s far from the tallest girl on her team, and has worked hard to improve her times but is not a dominant swimmer in her age group, her coach said. “Other than body parts I’ve been a girl my whole life,” she said. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
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Rightwing conservatives have been recycling the same language that we saw 15 to 20 years ago around gays and lesbians – the language of “child endangerment”, “grooming”, “pedophilia”, the need to “protect children” and “protect schools” through really restrictive laws. The focus on children is part of a coordinated effort and it’s not just in the US. We see it in the UK where there is no real access to gender-affirming treatments if you’re under 18. There’s a media campaign to shift the discourse to focusing on children’s transitions with all sorts of moral panics. It’s a really disturbing coalition, because you’ve got rightwing white supremacist evangelicals, but you also have politicians in the mainstream and people on the left who are trans-exclusionary and claim to be feminists. It’s a perfect storm.

How do you think people should be responding to Arkansas passing the first trans healthcare ban in the US this week?

This should be a wake-up call for a lot of folks. It’s no longer hypothetical. This is the time for people to reach out to the governor of Arkansas, but also to get involved in their own states and ask what they can do now before we see another passage of one of these bills. We should also be thinking more broadly, so we’re not just reacting over and over again to these bills. In some ways trans healthcare is analogous to reproductive rights and abortion. If you make it illegal, the need for care doesn’t go away. So we should be thinking about how we make this kind of care available to young people and how to show up for these children and their families, and not just make these laws the be-all-end-all.

Florida Puts Raging MAGA Moms on Book-Banning Council

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-puts-raging-maga-moms-on-book-banning-council?ref=scroll

This is far more invasive and serious than the way it started, which was an attack on trans kids.  Now the drive is to only allow materials, books, and teaching a hard right ideology from the 1950s.   What next for parents’ rights in school, the right of racist white parents to have their white children not be in classrooms with black students?   Is that also going to be the next step in regressing the country?  The right of Christian kids to not be in classrooms with kids who are not Christian?   Where does a single bigoted parents demands stop?   Notice one of the proud book ban women brags about taking away other parents rights to let their kids read the books with the forbidden knowledge in them, it is not about controlling their children it is all about controlling yours.    They already teach their child racist bigoted regressive stuff, they feel they must prevent other parents from teach their children tolerance, acceptance of LGBTQ+, and diversity as a good thing.   These people cannot have any kids getting that message.  It has long passed the time this is scary; this is US Taliban and moral police territory.    The article is a bit long but not bad, and it is a highly informative important read.    The last paragraph sums it up nicely.    Hugs

“The goal is to have the most conservative counties determine what the rest of the state has access to. It’s to allow a conservative ideology to hold rank over the rest of us,” said the project’s co-founder, Stephana Ferrell. “That’s what all of this is about. The attack on teachers, the banning of books—they need parents to not trust public education, so that they’re fed up and take taxpayer dollars into the for-profit education sector.”


‘A PLEASURE TO BURN’
 

Florida’s Education Department has quietly selected right-wingers for a book-banning council that’ll re-train public school librarians.

EXCLUSIVE

Photo Illustration by Thomas Levinson/The Daily Beast/Getty

 
 

In the name of “curriculum transparency,” Florida’s Republican-controlled state government has appointed several anti-gay and anti-mask conspiracy theorists to take charge of a new effort at public schools: banning books.

This hastily assembled censorship council—tasked with retraining public school librarians to abide by new restrictions—is the latest ploy in Gov. Ron DeSantis’ crusade to upend the state’s education system.

But the council was also staffed under suspicious circumstances, with the state Education Department ignoring its own call for official candidates from local school districts and instead filling most of the slots with right-wing activists who have a history of proposing book bans. One was even nominated by a religious activist with close ties to the DeSantis administration a week before the department publicly called for candidates, according to government emails, hinting at secret coordination between them.

“It calls into question the process that the Florida State Board of Education is trying to implement. It raises significant transparency questions,” said Megan Uzzell at Democracy Forward, which obtained those government emails.

 

While the “parent workgroup” is only getting started, the Education Department’s recent meeting in Orlando last week revealed how the state is positioning itself to spread those controls from school libraries to teachers’ classrooms.

As the meeting ended, Clinton McCkracken, the head of the Orange County teachers union, made a comment to another parent: “I don’t know what to tell my teachers.”

The recent episode began with an Aug. 12 memo from Education Department senior chancellor Jacob Oliva. The memo called for local school districts to nominate “parents of students in K-12 schools for representation on a workgroup”—one charged with creating mandatory “training” that would guide librarians statewide on how to follow new library censorship rules signed into law by Gov. DeSantis earlier this year. School districts had a week to submit the names of qualified nominees.

The Education Department passed on nearly 100 potentially qualified applicants with relevant experience, records show. In Brevard County alone, it ignored the five submissions made by the bipartisan local school board, including the nomination of a former elementary school assistant principal, the director of Eastern Florida State College’s tutoring centers, and the administrator of a local scholarship fund.

Instead, the department went with a woman who nominated herself: Michelle Beavers.

While other candidates have teaching experience, Beavers’ bona fides consist of right-wing activism. She leads the local chapter of Moms for Liberty, a MAGA contingent that has antagonized her school board for years over mask mandates—and allied with DeSantis for his recent attempt to outlaw critical race theory in schools.

Since then, Beavers has been actively seeking to ban books. In March, she emailed a Brevard County assistant superintendent about what was then the 19th title on her growing list of targets: the coming-of-age comic book This One Summer, which mentions lesbians and shows teenagers engaging in typical crude humor.

Beavers thanked the assistant superintendent for her “efforts to get this material vetted and hopefully out of our minors hands.” In other emails, Beavers identifies herself as the “head of the Library Book Committee,” explaining that she built a “comprehensive report” that reviews all of the “offensive items” in certain books. She warned about “books that are porn” and opposed a parent opt-out program in a specious and sweeping statement full of grammatical errors.

“These books violate the law, it’s a felony. So why would you try and still defend there [sic] existence by letting parents opt out?” she wrote.

Beavers and the other three appointed parents are now in a working group that is finalizing the presentation that will be used to train school librarians statewide.

 
The Sanctity of DeSantis

The marching orders come from the top. In March, Gov. DeSantis said parental rights should be at the helm of a child’s education.

“We are not going to let politicians deny parents the right to know what is being taught in our schools. I’m proud to sign this legislation that ensures curriculum transparency,” the governor said in a statement at the time.

“While teachers, school administrators, and school board members have a tremendous amount of authority over what and how our kids are taught in school, at the end of the day, parents—not schools—are responsible for raising children,” added Florida state Republican Senate Leader Wilton Simpson.

 
“The state has created a situation that is harming students.”
— Clinton McCkracken, head of the Orange County teachers union

Last week’s Education Department meeting was the latest example of the encroaching restrictions, when it unanimously voted to implement rules guaranteeing so-called “parental rights.” The department determined that parents must be notified if their child uses a school restroom or locker room that does not correlate with the child’s sex assigned at birth.

Meanwhile, censorship measures that initially targeted school libraries were extended to individual teachers’ classroom collections, which must now “be reviewed by a district employee holding a valid educational media specialist certificate,” according to Florida’s state website. The board also decided that educators could lose their teaching certifications if they do not comply with the state’s Parental Rights in Education law.

 
Bad Apples

At Wednesday’s meeting, state education board member Grazie Pozo Christie, a senior fellow for The Catholic Association, cited the need “to hold teachers accountable” for those she called “some bad apples.”

Teachers already suffer through poor working conditions, low pay, and staff shortages—being subject to state review of classroom books adds even more to their plates, McCracken, the Orange County teachers union head, said in an interview with The Daily Beast.

“The board voted… to require that all of those books have to be cataloged now. Which, of course, is an arduous task for teachers who may have hundreds of those books. So, in effect, for a lot of those teachers, that means that those classroom libraries won’t be available to students any longer until we can figure out how to manage that,” he said. “Laws like this are created to demonize public education.”

McCracken criticized how the meeting was scheduled in a way that would conflict with teachers’ work schedules and low salaries: 9 a.m. on a school day at a hotel with a hefty price tag for paid parking.

Despite emotional testimonies from concerned teachers, the board didn’t budge.

Teachers who have taken years to build their classroom book collections—available to students who can’t always take solo trips to the library—will now be burdened with the task of indexing their own shelves for so-called content restrictions, McCracken said.

“The classroom library has been an amazing tool for teachers to be able to inspire kids to read,” McCkracken said.

“So what are those kids going to do if the libraries aren’t there?” he asked. “They’ll have less access to important material that would inspire them to read and to learn. The state has created a situation that is harming students.”

 
Book Burning Training

The little-known and quickly assembled “work group” developing this book ban training is a pivotal part of this effort—which makes it all the stranger that the Education Department engaged in what critics are calling a bad faith effort to staff it.

Two parents who applied for Florida’s Department of Education media workgroup told The Daily Beast they raised their hands because they were interested in the books being challenged in schools.

“I’m very familiar with the research of psychological research for children, where it can be disruptive to introduce some of the pornographic material early or over-sexualized material early,” said Hillary Earle, who applied for the media group after seeing an announcement on the neighborhood app NextDoor.

Despite her years of academic and mediation accolades, as well as an endorsement from a school board member, Earle didn’t know she wasn’t selected for the media workgroup until her interview with The Daily Beast.

“This is the first I’m hearing of it,” she said. “I haven’t received anything: a phone call, an interview, anything.”

By contrast, Scott Rooke received a Brevard County school board member endorsement after expressing previous interest in children’s reading material. But he only discovered he wasn’t selected by way of a blog, Account Baloney. He immediately recognized the names of two Moms for Liberty members who did make it: Michelle Beavers and Jennifer Pippin.

The parent-membership seems slanted from the start when I just saw those two names,” he said.

The woman that took his place, Pippin, was not officially recommended by a school district. Instead, emails show, her name was submitted by Keith Flaugh, a childless conservative activist whose “Florida Citizens Alliance” has closely advised DeSantis for years on reforming public schools to combat “cultural Marxism” and “LGBTQ values” in favor of “Judeo-Christian family values.”

When discussing proposed training for librarians and media center employees at a recent working group meeting, Pippin, who drove and sat in her car for the duration of the meeting, chimed in to remind everyone, “I’m not a media center specialist,” noting she didn’t even understand some of the abbreviations being used in the mandated materials she intends to craft.

A third MAGA mom now on the book banning work group is Jamie Merchant, a member of “Mamas for DeSantis” whose summer reading included the book Crimes of the Educators, a call to demolish American public schools written by two known conspiracy theorists—one of whom runs a website that warns about “cancer deaths from the COVID jabs.”

Contentious Consensus

By all accounts, the panel tasked with developing the oncoming mandatory librarian training for the Education Board is a slow-moving train wreck. When the group reviewed the PowerPoint slides at their recent meeting last week, the department’s director of instructional materials, Amber Baumbach, punted on presenting what would obviously be the most controversial and contentious material.

Faced with questions about disagreements, the group director revealed that the Education Department might soon get two versions of the presentation—in what critics like Stephana Ferrell with Florida Freedom to Read Project expect to be a sane version and one that caters to the crazies. The DeSantis administration—which has already spent considerable energy attacking “woke” culture—would decide which option to take.

“If we can’t reach a consensus…it is possible for us to route two different versions of the training,” one of the options that we have is to provide two different points of view,” Baumbach said.

The working group is scheduled to meet again publicly this coming Tuesday, when it will present the slides that address what these conservatives deem offensive material—and is expected to spark more protests from worried parent groups already battling these book bans, like Florida Freedom to Read Project.

“The goal is to have the most conservative counties determine what the rest of the state has access to. It’s to allow a conservative ideology to hold rank over the rest of us,” said the project’s co-founder, Stephana Ferrell. “That’s what all of this is about. The attack on teachers, the banning of books—they need parents to not trust public education, so that they’re fed up and take taxpayer dollars into the for-profit education sector.”

EXPOSED: Herschel Walker PLAGIARIZES speech from late Civil Rights Leader John Lewis

It was recently unearthed that MAGA Republican Senate Candidate for Georgia Herschel Walker has been plagiarizing a speech from late Civil Rights Leader John Lewis. Meidas Contributor Texas Paul reacts to the disgusting act.