Court rules talk-based conversion therapy is legal in Virginia

I am so depressed over the drive of the Fundamentalist Christian rights success at trying to erase the LGBTQ+ people.  Now they are trying to again return to the discredited idea that sexual ordination can be changed if you torture a kid badly enough.  I read so many horror stories of kids as young as 13 and 14 having their genitals hooked up to electrical shock devices, being beaten, being sexual abused so that they would be turned off by same sex hook ups, being curatively raped for both lesbian and gay boys, and so many more.   And it doesn’t work.  People can be forced to control behavior and lie about their feelings.  But sexual attraction can not be changed.   

I keep saying the same question to those straight cis people who think orientation or gender is simply a choice rebellious teenagers make.  Can you willingly change your attraction from straight to gay and live that life for a year having sex with your same gender?  Can you do happily what same sex couples do to please each other sexually?  Can you stop being the gender you were assigned at birth and change every aspect of your gendered life and live that way for a few years to show me it is a choice?  They tell me that is stupid and why should they … they are the normal ones! 

I feel sorry for the kids because of the stories of abuse I have read about at these conversion camps, at these “therapist offices”.  The male survivor site has an entire forum dedicated to this subject.    Why is it so important to these people to wipe us out socially / publically.  Why can’t they let the kids be, why must they sexually force them to be mini me straight cis clones of the parents. 

As I said I don’t understand and I do know it is not all Christians.   But seriously we need progressive Christian churches to stand up to these groups.  After 9/11 we kept hearing people demand Muslims in the US denounce publically the terrorist act of other Muslims.  Recently a Muslim won the democratic nominee for NY City and democratic politicians were demanding he denounce every bad thing ever done by a Muslim.  Why is that a one way street?  Shouldn’t white people be required to denounce bad white people?  Shouldn’t Christians be required to speak out against hateful Christians. 

I am seeing a return to the 1970s Anita Bryant rhetoric and no one seems to see the connection.  She used her faith to claim that no one wanted to see gay teachers in public schools indoctrinating and recruiting (sexualizing) kids.  Well these are the same words used against the gay teachers and trans people today by the republicans and hate Christians.  It was the anti-Christian oppression Samuel Alito wrote in his ruling that just having books with people happy to celebrate a same sex wedding was discrimination against Christians who did not want people to be happy at same sex weddings.  Read his ruling it really says that kids being read a picture book of people being happy at a same sex wedding is oppression and discrimination against Christians.   

I am tired.  I am 62 years old.  I fought this fight as a child, suffered from it, faced the discrimination, lost jobs, got assaulted at work and school, lost promotions, and had hate poured out on me at every turn for at least 25 years.  Hell as I was being raped as a child I had anti-gay bigotry screamed at me.  Think on that for a mindfuck.  Those raping me screamed I deserved it as a 7 year old because I clearly was a faggot.  I lost my right to keep going with my Army career due to a new unit commander who bragged about his deep Christian faith.  He called me into his office, told me he knew I was out to my unit and even though I was respected, well liked, and had the skills to save the unit even on the day I was leaving, he was not going to tolerate an “evil deviant homosexual” to be in the army or his unit.  I feel so sorry for the kids kicked out of their homes to have to sell their bodies on the street to strangers for food and lodging due to this hate.  I am so tired as history is repeating and I need to find the strength to fight for the LGBTQ+ kids once again.   I don’t think I can.   Hugs

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https://virginiamercury.com/2025/07/02/court-rules-talk-based-conversion-therapy-is-legal-in-virginia/

The therapy practice tries to influence gender or sexuality identity and has been denounced by experts for negative effects to patients’ mental or physical health.

By: – July 2, 2025 5:25 am

 From left to right: Family Foundation president Victoria Cobb, Founding Freedoms Law Center lawyer Josh Hetzler, and counselors/plaintiffs John and Janet Raymond celebrate a court ruling to overturn a ban on talk-based conversion therapy. (Photo by Charlotte Rene Woods/Virginia Mercury)

A Henrico County Circuit Court judge ordered that licensed counselors be allowed to engage underage clients in a controversial form of talk therapy about gender identity and sexual orientation that medical and mental health experts say can be harmful.

The case underpinning the new consent decree with the Virginia Department of Health Professions stemmed from a 2020 state law banning “any practice or treatment that seeks to change an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity.” Last year, Front Royal-based counselors John and Janet Raymond  challenged the ban. 

“The Raymonds desired to engage in talk therapy with minors through voluntary conversations, prayer, and providing written materials such as Scripture, but Virginia’s law and regulations prohibited them from doing so,” read a Tuesday statement from the Founding Freedoms Law Center, the Family Foundation’s legal arm that represented the Raymonds in the case. The Center hailed the court’s ruling as a “landmark free speech victory.”

Conversion therapy entails attempts to change or influence a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity. The American Psychological Association has denounced conversion therapy, stating that it is not an accepted form of therapy based on medical or scientific evidence, as has the American Medical Association. The groups and advocates have also said conversion therapy is used as a tool to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people and lifestyles. 

Conversion therapy treatments have garnered national controversy over the years and range from inducing nausea, providing electric shocks to having people snap an elastic band around their wrist when they become aroused by same-sex erotic images or thoughts.

The Raymonds told the court they previously practiced talk therapy for conversion therapy clients, as they do with their other clients. The ban meant they couldn’t have conversations to try to guide clients away from embracing their sexual or gender identities. The new consent decree means they can practice conversion therapy again.

Opponents of the practice have argued that conversion therapy can put LGBTQ+ people at higher risk ofmental health issues like depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder, substance abuse or suicide. 

The Raymonds emphasized that the talk therapy they engage in with their clients is voluntary and stressed that nothing about their case should be construed as allowing any counselor to perform acts associated with conversion therapy, such as electro-shock therapy.

“With this court order, every counselor in Virginia will now be able to speak freely, truthfully and candidly with clients who are seeking to have those critical conversations about their identity and to hear faith-based insights from trusted professionals,” said Josh Hetzler, the couple’s legal counsel with the Founding Freedoms Law Center.

The Family Foundation is a Christian and conservative advocacy group and legal firm that opposes same-sex marriage, supports more parental input in public education, and supports increased restrictions on abortions. While the consent decree was ordered on June 4, Family Foundation and the plaintiffs announced it on July 1. 

“We thank God that He gives us the freedom to speak, to believe, to seek His wisdom,” John Raymond said Tuesday in the Family Foundation’s office in Richmond — formerly a house that Confederate General Robert E. Lee rented following his surrender at Appomattox that ended the Civil War.

Raymond said he felt like Virginia’s 2020 law gave him no choice but to challenge it and called it a “hostile ideological invasion within our country.”

Likewise, Hetzler noted a “growing number of parents” seeking counseling services with a religious lens for their children “in an era when gender dysphoria has become a contagion among young people.”

 

Virginia lawmakers weigh in

 

Sen. Danica Roem, D-Prince William, noted on a press call Tuesday that there have been bipartisan efforts to support LGBTQ constituents in Virginia’s legislature in recent years. When the conversion therapy ban was clearing the House of Delegates five years ago, 11 Republicans joined their Democratic colleagues in voting for it. Seven Republican lawmakers — to include then-delegate and now Attorney General Jason Miyares — abstained from voting. Over in the Senate, a former GOP lawmaker joined Democrats in supporting that version as well. 

While Miyares did not express support or dissent in 2020, his office has signed the consent decree effectively lifting the ban on conversion therapy.

As attorney general, Miyares has pressed for banning transgender youth from participating in sports teams of their identity as a suite of anti-LGBTQ+ bills have been introduced in the state during Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s administration.

Localities have pushed back on former Gov. Ralph Northam’s order that transgender students be able to use the bathrooms of their identities. And an in-progress constitutional amendment to remove a defunct same-sex marriage ban from the state’s constitution has advanced with slim bipartisan support.

Advocates for that law say it’s important, as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has expressed interest in revisiting a decade-old ruling that protects gay marriage federally. He expressed the opinion after the court struck down federal abortion protections. Should marriage protections fall, Virginia is among states that would immediately ban the unions. 

Roem reiterated the risks of conversion therapy, saying medical care for transgender people like hormone therapies or surgeries are constantly subject to medical review to assess quality of care, while talk-based conversion therapy isn’t. 

Roem, the state’s first transgender senator, said she has been on the receiving end of efforts to dissuade her from her sexual identity but it never stopped her from embracing being transgender. 

“I spent 13 years in Catholic school — I heard everything,” she said. “I am just as trans today at age 40 as I was when I got into Catholic school in 4th grade.”

Ultimately, what the conversion therapy ban came down to for Democrats, she and Senate Majority Leader Scott Surovell, D-Fairfax said, is public health. Given how various medical associations have denounced conversion therapy, they felt it had no place in state-licensed counselor’s services.

“I have no problem if somebody wants to go look at religious counseling from their priest or their minister, their rabbi, their imam — that’s perfectly fine,” Surovell said. “When somebody goes to get therapy from somebody licensed by the Commonwealth of Virginia, there’s a different set of rules applied. You can’t just say whatever you want because you have a license. That’s why we have professional standards, that’s why we have statutes.”

While several studies have shown negative mental and physical health impacts of conversion therapy on LGBTQ+ people, the Raymonds said a 2024 report in the United Kingdom  called for more research on gender identity services for minors. However, the report’s author noted their belief that “no LGBTQ+ group should be subjected to conversion practice.”

With an appeal deadline having passed, lawmakers could further tweak their 2020 law when they convene next year.

Editor’s note: This article has been updated to reflect that the order was issued in June and announced in July. Sen. Surovell also said “imam” rather than “mom.”


In their celebratory video below, the group rants about LGBTQ “contagion among young people.”

Last year the Family Foundation joined a hate group coalition seeking to “save” the 2024 Republican Party platform from caving on LGBTQ issues.

In 2023, the Family Foundation successfully pressured Virginia lawmakers against repealing the state’s still-existing ban on same-sex marriage.

Also in 2023, a spokesman for the group claimed that they’d been refused service by a Virginia restaurant due to their anti-LGBTQ activism.

 

They fled Iran to escape religious persecution and are now being sent back.

Cruel Kristi Noem says it’s not her problem if a gay hairdresser she sent to a prison camp is dead

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/05/cruel-kristi-noem-says-its-not-her-problem-if-a-gay-hairdresser-she-sent-to-a-camp-is/

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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi NoemHomeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem | Steven Spearie/The State Journal-Register / USA TODAY NETWORK

Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA) confronted Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem about the administration sending a gay man to a prison camp in El Salvador and not even knowing if he’s still alive. Noem said that it wasn’t her problem.

Noem, who has bragged in the past about shooting her dog to death, appeared before the House Homeland Security Committee for a hearing yesterday, where Garcia asked her about Andry Hernandez Romero, a gay hair dresser from Venezuela who came to the U.S. legally to escape anti-LGBTQ+ violence and who was sent to the CECOT camp in El Salvador, which is known for torturing inmates, earlier this year.

The administration, which sent immigrants to the CECOT without letting courts determine if they were in the country illegally or if they had committed any crimes, has refused to try to bring anyone back from the camp.

“Would you commit to just letting his mother know – as a mother-to-mother – if Andry is alive?” Garcia asked Noem. “He was given an asylum appointment by the United States government. We gave him an appointment, we said, Andry, come to the border at this time and claim asylum, he was taken to a foreign prison in El Salvador.”

“His mother just wants to know if he’s alive. Can we check and do a wellness check on him?”

Noem said she doesn’t “know the specifics” of Hernandez Romero’s case but said that since he’s in El Salvador, Garcia should be asking El Salvador’s government about him.

“This isn’t under my jurisdiction,” Noem said.

Garcia reminded her that she said that the Salvadoran prison is a “tool in our toolkit” for fighting crime.

“You and the president have the ability to check that Andry is alive and not being harmed,” he said. “Would you commit into at least looking and asking El Salvador if he is alive?”

“This is a question that is best asked to the president and the government of El Salvador,” Noem responded drily.

Garcia to Noem: "Can you commit to just letting his mother know mother to mother if Andry is alive? He was given an asylum appointment by the United States government."(Noem wouldn't commit to it.)

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-05-14T17:27:11.408Z

Hernandez Romero is a Venezuelan immigrant who trekked to the U.S. and entered legally last year at San Diego. There, he asked for asylum, saying that he was being targeted in Venezuela for being gay and due to his political beliefs. He was held in a CoreCivic detention center, where he was screened by Charles Cross Jr.

“The government had found that his threats against him were credible and that he had a real probability of winning an asylum claim,” his lawyer, Lindsay Toczylowski, said.

In March, he, along with over 200 other immigrants, was taken in shackles to the CECOT camp in El Salvador. Even his lawyer said she didn’t know what happened to him until he was gone and missed a hearing in his immigration case.

In a video from the CECOT, Hernandez Romero could be heard saying, “I’m not a gang member. I’m gay. I’m a stylist,” as he was slapped and had his head shaved.

“We have grave concerns about whether he can survive,” Toczylowski told CBS News.

It was later revealed that the evidence Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had against Hernandez Romero was his tattoos, which came from a report from the contractor CoreCivic, specifically from former police officer Charles Cross Jr., who lost his job with the Milwaukee police after he drunkenly crashed into a house and allegedly committed fraud. His name was subsequently added to the Brady List, a list of police officers who are considered non-credible for providing legal testimony in Milwaukee County.

Cross claimed that Hernandez Romero had crown tattoos associated with a gang. The tattoos are labeled “Mom” and “Dad” and are common symbols associated with his hometown of Capacho, Venezuela. Capacho is known for its elaborate festival for Three Kings Day, and a childhood friend, Reina Cardenas, told NBC News that it was that festival that awakened Hernandez Romero’s desire to be an artist.

“Andry dedicated his life to arts and culture, and he worked hard to better his craft,” Cardenas said.

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A veteran online reporter, Alex Bollinger has been covering LGBTQ+ news since the Bush administration. He’s now the editor-in-chief of LGBTQ Nation. He has a Masters in Economic Theory and Econometrics from the Paris School of Economics. He lives in Paris.

Two teenage girls shot near Stonewall hours after NYC Pride March

Is this the result of republican Christian hate?  Is this the result of the constant demonizing of the LGBTQ+ community.  Hug


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/manhattan/nyc-west-village-shooting-sunday/6319997/

The NYPD said the two people were shot around 10:15 p.m. in the West Village, busy with revelers celebrating the end of Pride celebrations.

ICE actions filmed.

 

federal ICE agents blast way into family home with children, all are US citizens.

Trump Voters Regret Over ICE’s Brutality

The good, bad, ugly and of course the stupid. 6-25-2025

5000+ Mexicans Form Record “Human Pride Flag”

Cops: Atlanta Teens Filmed Themselves Destroying Gay Bar’s Pride Flags, Hate Crime Charges Possible [VIDEO]

Riley Gaines: Defund States That Back Trans Athletes

Riley Gaines, who has turned a fifth place finish against non-trans swimmers into career with MAGA media.

Now let me see if I have this right. Riley Gaines finished 5th in a race with a trans athlete. And, if that trans athlete had NOT been in the race, Riley Gaines would still have finished in 5th place because the two swimmers were TIED for 5th. So, a trans athlete being in the race did not have any effect on Riley Gaines at all

Grenell Rages At “Hamilton” Creators Over Pride Event

 


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Cassidy Realizes Vax Advisory Panelists Are Crackpots

 

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Sen. Katie Britt: “Trump Will Win The Nobel, No Doubt”

 

 

Trump Hints US May Leave NATO Mutual Defense Pact

 

Trump Admin Seeks To Deforest 59M Public Acres

 

Parliamentarian Nixes GOP Plot To Sell Public Lands

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Noem: Alligator Alcatraz Will Open “At Turbo Speed”

 

McConnell: Worried About Medicaid? “Get Over It”

Trump Challenges “Stupid AOC” To Cognitive Test

WH Claims DOGE Worker “Big Balls” Has Resigned

First of all, I would like proof of this man’s “big balls.”

Second, he is a national security disaster. From his Wikipedia page:

His maternal grandfather Valery Martynov was a KGB Lieutenant Colonel executed by the Soviet Union as a double agent. After his execution his widow moved with her children, including Coristine’s mother, to the United States.

Also from Wikipedia:

Bloomberg News reported that Coristine had been fired from his internship at cybersecurity firm Path Network in 2022 for allegedly leaking internal company information to a competitor. Following his dismissal, a large collection of internal Path documents and conversations was leaked online.

The apple may not fall too far from the tree in this instance.

Reuters published a story alleging that Coristine’s online content delivery network DiamondCDN had facilitated the work of the cybercriminal group EGodly. In 2023 Egodly thanked Coristine saying “We extend our gratitude to our valued partners DiamondCDN for generously providing us with their amazing DDoS protection and caching systems, which allow us to securely host and safeguard our website,” Egodly has claimed involvement in a number of crimes including email hacking, theft of cryptocurrency, and the harassment of a former FBI agent.

This guy would never have passed any sort of normal security clearance. That this story isn’t a massive front page scandal is an indictment of the times we live in.

4 arrested after Pride flags vandalized at Atlanta’s rainbow crosswalks

These were not impressionable young teens.  The youngest was 16, one was 17, the rest were adults.  This kind of hate has to be taught.  This is what all the hate preaching, the hateful right wing news media, and the republicans in congress are creating.  But these people want this.  They want these young people to act out, to cause harm and fear to the LGBTQ+ community.   They glory in this, they delight if they can scare people into being afraid to be themselves.  I won’t do that.  I won’t hide. 

Yesterday morning I got dressed up in my pride attire, a pride shirt, pride suspenders, pride belt, and a pride hat.  I headed out to the local Publix by my house.  Publix is a good store / company but the founders were are very Christian.  Their policies are to hire a lot of disabled, they hire a lot of people from churches.  They hire teens from church to be baggers and cart runners.  Ron and I are known at the store with many hellos from the workers we see most often.  There were not many people in the store.  I got my items and went to the only manned register.   There was a young man in his 20s who was dressed in the gray of manager, and a middle aged woman.  Both greeted me super warmly, the young man had sparkles in his eyes as he saw all my pride stuff.  He hung on my every word, offering to even help me unload my cart seeing my cane and struggles.  I did it myself.  He kept offering to walk out to my car with me and to load the stuff in the van, something Publix is great for, but normally it is not the managers that do it.  I have had to use that help a few times.  They refuse any attempt to tip, are supper friendly. I write all this to show that not all Christians people are bigots or teach hate.  

This acceptance and tolerance of the LGBTQ+ is what was being taught in schools and social media.  It was what led to so much progress.    The hateful bigoted right is desperate to change that progress forward to equality, so they write don’t say gay bills, ban books and media, insist that only straight cis Christian things be seen in schools, libraries, and social media.  The right haters are loud, vocal, and willing to spend their money as a group to get what they want.   We in the LGBTQ+ community had better step up to the plate and play their game as seriously as they do.  The haters have already caused some stores to avoid selling pride merch or supporting pride events.  Or we will lose all the gains we have made.   Hugs


https://www.wabe.org/4-arrested-after-pride-flags-vandalized-at-atlanta-gay-bar-blakes-on-the-park/

People cross the rainbow crosswalks at the intersection of 10th and Piedmont in Midtown Atlanta in 2019. (Evey Wilson/WABE)

This story was updated on Tuesday, June 24 at 8:34 p.m.

Four teenagers were arrested early Tuesday morning and could face hate crime charges after police say they stole and cut up Pride flags outside one of Atlanta’s most well-known gay bars.

Atlanta police say they responded to a vandalism call at 1:40 a.m. Tuesday at the intersection of 10th Street and Piedmont Avenue. Witnesses told police that six males stole Pride flags and were cutting them up with a knife and riding around on scooters in the middle of the intersection, the site of the rainbow crosswalks. It’s unclear where the flags came from.



“Upon spotting officers, the six males fled the scene on motorized scooters,” Atlanta police said in a statement. “Thanks to the rapid response of our officers, four of the six males were apprehended.”

4 suspects in Pride flag vandalism could face hate crime charges

A preliminary police investigation reveals that the group coordinated and drove from the Dallas and Cartersville areas to Atlanta. The arrestees are one 16-year-old juvenile from Taylorsville and three others from Dallas, Georgia: 17-year-old Geami McCarroll, 18-year-old Logan Matthison and 18-year-old Ahmed Mechkouri.

They were charged with obstruction, criminal damage to property, conspiracy and prowling. Atlanta police say that hate crime charges are pending, but a prosecutor would have to decide whether to file such charges. Georgia passed a hate crime law in 2020 that allows enhanced penalties for crimes motivated by the victim’s race, religion, sexual orientation or other factors.

Police also issued a citation to Aaron Petrus, the 41-year-old father of the juvenile, for failing to supervise his son.

The investigation into the incident is active and ongoing. Police are asking anyone with information about the two male suspects who got away to contact Crime Stoppers.

“We’ve got some pretty good leads,” Sgt. Brandon Hayes said at a Tuesday press conference. Hayes is the department’s LGBTQ liaison. “As far as video surveillance, there is video of the incident. We’re still looking into more to see what video we can gather from the local community. That’s still in progress.”

A message left for Blake’s on the Park was not returned. The incident comes during Pride Month and just two days before the 10th anniversary of same-sex marriage being legalized nationwide.

City of Atlanta chief equity officer Candace Stanciel said the incident was “the antithesis of who we are as a community.”

“Our Rainbow Crosswalk is a symbol for inclusion and freedom, giving the LGBTQ+ community a tangible place for fellowship, celebration and a sense of belonging,” she said in a statement on Tuesday. “Anyone who tries to disrupt these ideals or spread hate of any kind will be held accountable.”

A Fulton County grand jury indicted a Pennsylvania man for allegedly vandalizing booths and defecating on a Pride flag at a Global Black Pride event in Atlanta in August 2024. Prosecutors were seeking hate crime enhancements in that case as well.

Editor’s Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated where the Pride flags were stolen from. It has been updated to reflect that police say it’s unclear where they came from.

Some good, bad, and really ugly news from Joe My God.

Trump Loses Yet Another Round Against Harvard

Senate Parliamentarian Nixes GOP’s Food Stamps Plot

 

Senate Parliamentarian Nixes Limits On Suing Trump

Hawley: Medicaid Cuts Present “Nightmare Scenario”

Dodgers Donate $1M To Families Impacted By ICE

 

Trump Reverses Again On ICE Raids At Farms: I Don’t Want To Hurt Our Farmers, They Keep Us Happy And Fat

 

Trump Demands Special Prosecutor Over 2020 Election

 

GOP Rep. Randy Fine Compares Mamdani To Iranian Supreme Leader: He’ll Turn NYC Into Shiite Caliphate

“Zohran Mamdani would do to New York City what Khomeini and Khamenei did to Tehran,” Fine said. “We cannot let radical Muslims turn America into a Shiite caliphate.”

 

HHS Threatens To Defund California Over Sex Ed

Perkins: If We Don’t Attack Iran, God Will Smite USA

Loomer: You’re Not MAGA If You Don’t Hate Muslims

Vance Mocks Sen. Alex Padilla By Calling Him “Jose”

So much for saving government money which they all claimed while shredding our government with the illegal doge.   Hugs

Megabill Would Trash $10B In New USPS Electric Trucks

The proposal is unlikely to generate much revenue for the government; there is almost no private-sector interest in the mail trucks, and used EV charging equipment — built specifically for the Postal Service and already installed in postal facilities — generally cannot be resold.

“The funds realized by auctioning the vehicles and infrastructure would be negligible. Much of infrastructure is literally buried under parking lots, and there is no market for used charging equipment,” Peter Pastre, the Postal Service’s vice president for government relations and public policy, wrote to senators this month.

Read the full article. $10 billion into the sewer to please their Glorious Leader. Something something DOGE.